Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

^^^ The concept of irony and hypocrisy is lost on you boy. If i were to collect all your school yard type accusations /posts in this thread and post them , you'd look like a right fool.

I really don't want to further this discussion, it's boring as fuck and we're obviously going nowhere.

I would just like to clearly outline your way of thinking, okay?

You stated that a cruiserweight, who mainly fought other cruiserweights, who was proven to be an attrition puncher, not a one-punch knockout artist (excluding Walcott I+II) would easily knockout the second greatest super-heavyweight to ever live.
You've repeatedly explained to me how the almost unified heavyweight champion of the world, and clear #1 heavyweight boxer on the planet, who rose from three bad losses to become a dominant figure, is a coward.
Despite him getting up off of the canvas in an attempt to keep fighting against Corrie Sanders, re-matching Lamon Brewster, etc. He's still a coward in your eyes.

You've also gone on record (now this is a truly bizarre one) and stated that Wlad is the one ducking Povetkin, not the other way around. You've said that Haye and Marciano are relatively the same size whilst fighting out of a crouch, that Chris Byrd did fuck all at heavyweight, and that Roland LaStarza is one of Marciano's career-defining wins that separates him from cowards like Wladimir Klitschko.

Despite many, many people explaining to you that Rocky wouldn't have much of a chance consistently landing his punches (punches that took multiple rounds to stop cruisers and old light-heavies in 6oz gloves) because he'd be fighting out of a crouch. We've stated that Wladimir would clinch him on the inside, lean on him, tire him out, or move out of the way using his quick foot movement.

You've also told us that Wladimir's jab is lazy, and not very good. That Marciano has fast feet, and you have disregarded the fact that Wladimir would most likely seriously hurt Rocky if he connected flush with a power punch.

You lauded a report on a sports website where a few people voted Marciano as a harder puncher than Big George Foreman as irrefutable evidence that Rocky hits harder than him.

This is you, and this thread, in a nutshell.

Thank you for amusing me.

[dinovelvet]

You got an unhealthy obsession with me son. Try to stay away from me. See how long you last. Ill give you a day.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

You got an unhealthy obsession with me son. Try to stay away from me. See how long you last. Ill give you a day.

This response couldn't have been more appropriate.

Thank you for more hearty laughs.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by orriray59

I really don't want to further this discussion, it's boring as fuck and we're obviously going nowhere.

So long as I am not banned from this board this thread will never die!

[dinovelvet]

Have you entered the ring in your life seamus.

[dinovelvet]

Not even a day. 3 minutes is all it took.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Have you entered the ring in your life seamus.

No, he doesn't have your extensive knowledge. Why, you've been to a gym! And talked to... People!

We simply can't compete with your credentials.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Not even a day. 3 minutes is all it took.

Those three minutes were well spent laughing like a lunatic.

[DDDUUDDDEE]

Wlad wins almost every round en route to a late round stoppage. I think size really does matter in this case. Marciano doesn't have the size nor strength to fight his attrition based style or impose his will on the younger Klit, and as soon as he gets close enough to do any real damage Wlad would be all over him like an octopus, leaning on him and sapping his energy with his massive size/weight.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by DDDUUDDDEE

Wlad wins almost every round en route to a late round stoppage. I think size really does matter in this case. Marciano doesn't have the size nor strength to fight his attrition based style or impose his will on the younger Klit, and as soon as he gets close enough to do any real damage Wlad would be all over him like an octopus, leaning on him with his massive size/weight.

My exact sentiments.

[HOUDINI]

Problem is Wlad has the heart and will of a sheep. Marciano had the courage and will to win of all all time great champion which he was. Watch again how he wants to quit when hit hard and dropped....not by one fighter which is bad enough....but by three. Three nobodies to boot. That man is not beating Marciano.

[HOUDINI]

Name another fighter who was koed as Wlad was three times, falling in sections fighting nobodies all three times and wanting to quit as soon as he felt his opponents power that's considered an all time great? No will to win, no courage to fight on when seriously hurt ....you can't rate him as an all time great. These are key characteristics for all time great status.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Have you entered the ring in your life seamus.

Yes, to middling results.

Let's just say, I was a lot better at other sporting activities.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Name another fighter who was koed as Wlad was three times,

Jersey Joe Walcott, dumbass.

Name me another five foot ten inch, 67 inch reach heavy who has been ranked in the top ten in the last half century. Name me another similarly recent champion who lasted over 4 years who never defended against a legit 210 plus pounder.

[Bummy Davis]

Originally Posted by dyna

When you look at the statistics.
When weight of opponent goes up, KO ratio goes down.

When Ali faced men who weighted 175-184 his KO ratio was an extreme 100%....
185-199 it was a very good 75%.

But when the opponent weighted 215lbs+ it was just 33%.

Joe frazier his KO ratio on sub 200 lbs guys was an enormous 100%.
On 215lbs+ guys just 45%

Earnie Shavers had a 93% KO ratio on guys who weighted in at 185-199 lbs.
But just 47% against guys who weighted in at 215+lbs.

a factor not included here is the quality of the opponents and the fact that most of the lighter weight fights were earlier in his career, In Ali's case Cooper who weighed 185 dropped him badly although Ali later stopped him on a cut, it was 188lb Doug Jones who gave Ali the fight of his life and 191 lb Sonny Banks that dropped him, 205 5"10 Oscar Bonavena gave Ali quite a fight and it was 197lb 6-0-1 Leon Spinks who beat Ali in his 7th win and lets not forget it was the 205lb 5"11 Joe Frazier that beat him dominantly in the FOTC

Ali stopped Foreman,Lyle, and Liston and they all weighed over 215, yet the 196lb Ruddi Lubbers went the full 12 rounds

Shavers lost his 1st fight to Stan Johnson who he outweighed by 20 lbs, then lost to the chubby but short 5"10 Ron Stander by KO in 5, he was KO'd in 1 by Jerry Quarry who he outweighed and lost to Bob Stallings who he outweighed, Shavers also lost to men who outweighed him and many of them later in his career but lets not forget Shavers did KO the 222lb Henry Clark and the 231lb 6'5 Roy Williams, the 245lb Joe Bugner,and the 225lb Ken Norton in1rd, funny but Shavers could not KO the 190lb ex light heavyweight and middleweight Vicente Rondon, who was Ko'd by 160 lb Jose Gonzales,162lb Bennie Briscoe and 175lb Bob Foster