Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano - Page 41

SP_Mauler · 12-26-2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Agreed, beating Marciano would surely cause a rip in the spacetime continuum and therefore doom of all of mankind.

Logical come back from a klitlicker no brainer.

dinovelvet · 12-26-2012, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rusak

It's more realistic that Vlad ices Marcy Anna with a jab. Vlad puts the Marce on queer street with a jab and then knocks him out cold with the first power punch.

You proved with previous posts, along with others that you have no knowledge about the man you are arguing against.

BCS8 · 12-26-2012, 06:00 AM

[rusak] "Vlad puts the Marce on queer street with a jab and then knocks him out cold with the first power punch."

Excellent trolling sir! You should get some sort of award. A cup, or medal of some sort.

BCS8 · 12-26-2012, 06:39 AM

Just rewatched Marciano / Layne. Have to say, the way Rocky likes to lean into Layne while working inside might spell trouble vs 'defensive' Klitschko who could grab the opportunity to tie up / tire out the smaller man. That said, Marciano was pretty damn busy in the late rounds compared to a lot of the modern HW around. Good speed and whip to those punches.

dinovelvet · 12-26-2012, 08:47 AM

Watch LaStarza II. As the rounds passed by the stronger he became, the more you hit him ,he would hit you back with more, his workrate got higher and higher. He was underrated in body punching, defence and ring iQ.

The faint was a tool he used perfectly. He'd feign going in for the clinch and when his opponent relaxed up and opened up he'd lunge in with an over hand right flush on the pucker. Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy.

Nightcrawler · 12-26-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Watch LaStarza II. As the rounds passed by the stronger he became, the more you hit him ,he would hit you back with more, his workrate got higher and higher. He was underrated in body punching, defence and ring iQ.

The faint was a tool he used perfectly. He'd feign going in for the clinch and when his opponent relaxed up and opened up he'd lunge in with an over hand right flush on the pucker. Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy.

good point

i said something similiar-ish when discussing why louis would beat wlad, by getting inside and throwing short punches

orriray59 · 12-26-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Watch LaStarza II. As the rounds passed by the stronger he became, the more you hit him ,he would hit you back with more, his workrate got higher and higher. He was underrated in body punching, defence and ring iQ.

The faint was a tool he used perfectly. He'd feign going in for the clinch and when his opponent relaxed up and opened up he'd lunge in with an over hand right flush on the pucker. Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy.

As Nightcrawler said, I concede that that is a decent point. Still though, implementing it on LaStarza and Wlad are two different things.

Nightcrawler · 12-26-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by orriray59

As Nightcrawler said, I concede that that is a decent point. Still though, implementing it on LaStarza and Wlad are two different things.

absolutely. it's a good strategy but it doesn't mean that he'll be able to implement it

BCS8 · 12-26-2012, 09:49 AM

[dinovelvet] "Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy. "

I really think that that's the key point (stylistically) of this matchup. If Wlad can manage to effectively smother Rocky, then I think he will win. But if Rocky can lob some of those overhands into Wlad as he comes in, then I think Wlad will fall apart sooner or later. That, and how effectively Wlad can keep him outside with the jab. Klitschko really does have a great jab, but Marciano is such a short, stocky fighter with an awkward style that it won't be quite that simple.

Really, it is pretty damn hard to call on this one. I think it is one of those dream matches that you'd have to see to actually find out how it goes.

Absolutely! · 12-26-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BCS8

[dinovelvet] "Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy. "

I really think that that's the key point (stylistically) of this matchup. If Wlad can manage to effectively smother Rocky, then I think he will win. But if Rocky can lob some of those overhands into Wlad as he comes in, then I think Wlad will fall apart sooner or later. That, and how effectively Wlad can keep him outside with the jab. Klitschko really does have a great jab, but Marciano is such a short, stocky fighter with an awkward style that it won't be quite that simple.

Really, it is pretty damn hard to call on this one. I think it is one of those dream matches that you'd have to see to actually find out how it goes.

People underrate just how fragile (mentally and physically) Wlad really is. He still has a slight panic reflex to getting hit with big shots, which tends to make him go for the clinch, cover up etc, but it's usually only for a few seconds, and doesn't tend to affect the rest of his gameplan. This notion that he's going to fall apart if he takes a few punches is not really one rooted in reality, at least not as regards the current version of Wlad. And as the Haye fight showed, he can take a decent punch without hitting the canvas.

You also have to factor in the effect Wlad's own punches will have on Marciano. It's not like Wlad's just going to be fighting to survive and hear the final bell here. He'll be actively trying to break Marciano down himself.

Absolutely! · 12-26-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SP_Mauler

What we know about their careers.

Wladimir lost and lost ugly.
Marciano has never been knocked out.

So if anyone can answer the obvious question,How do you beat a person who has never been undefeated, Go ahead and if you can't well its obvious that Marciano is the greater fighter.

I've never been knocked out or defeated either. Want to make a case for me?

Absolutely! · 12-26-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bollox

Vlad suffers another anxiety attack before entering the ring against someone of Marciano's stature. He blows his wad by round 3 as a result and then suffers a Joe Walcott type, devastating KO (are there any other kind where Vlad's concerned?)

Um yeah, there are. When has Wlad ever been totally knocked unconscious by a single punch?

Absolutely! · 12-26-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by orriray59

Greatest thread on ESB.

Ever.

I'd say there are a few on general that might top it. But P4P it beats most classic threads' arses.

Seamus · 12-26-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

The faint was a tool he used perfectly.

The idiocy of this statement astounds me slightly less than the fact there are some quoting it.

LittleRed · 12-26-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

The idiocy of this statement astounds me slightly less than the fact there are some quoting it.

Those people all reap their just desserts right.

12-26-2012, 06:00 AM	#603
BCS8 newbie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 21 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano [rusak] "Vlad puts the Marce on queer street with a jab and then knocks him out cold with the first power punch." Excellent trolling sir! You should get some sort of award. A cup, or medal of some sort.
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12-26-2012, 06:39 AM	#604
BCS8 newbie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 21 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Just rewatched Marciano / Layne. Have to say, the way Rocky likes to lean into Layne while working inside might spell trouble vs 'defensive' Klitschko who could grab the opportunity to tie up / tire out the smaller man. That said, Marciano was pretty damn busy in the late rounds compared to a lot of the modern HW around. Good speed and whip to those punches.
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12-26-2012, 08:47 AM	#605
dinovelvet Up Top To The Head East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5,819 vCash: 910	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Watch LaStarza II. As the rounds passed by the stronger he became, the more you hit him ,he would hit you back with more, his workrate got higher and higher. He was underrated in body punching, defence and ring iQ. The faint was a tool he used perfectly. He'd feign going in for the clinch and when his opponent relaxed up and opened up he'd lunge in with an over hand right flush on the pucker. Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy.
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12-26-2012, 09:49 AM	#609
BCS8 newbie Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 21 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano [dinovelvet] "Wlads over reliance on the hug would prove detrimental in this situation. Once he feels the power he turns gun shy. " I really think that that's the key point (stylistically) of this matchup. If Wlad can manage to effectively smother Rocky, then I think he will win. But if Rocky can lob some of those overhands into Wlad as he comes in, then I think Wlad will fall apart sooner or later. That, and how effectively Wlad can keep him outside with the jab. Klitschko really does have a great jab, but Marciano is such a short, stocky fighter with an awkward style that it won't be quite that simple. Really, it is pretty damn hard to call on this one. I think it is one of those dream matches that you'd have to see to actually find out how it goes.
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