Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Seamus

The idiocy of this statement astounds me slightly less than the fact there are some quoting it.

Nah Seamus, he's got a point. Granted, Rocky would never get in a real position to any damage with it, seeing as others have played the feinting game with Wlad before and still got trounced.

It wouldn't work to an effective degree, but is it a valid point? Absolutely.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Nah Seamus, he's got a point. Granted, Rocky would never get in a real position to any damage with it, seeing as others have played the feinting game with Wlad before and still got trounced.

It wouldn't work to an effective degree, but is it a valid point? Absolutely.

I think Seamus was referring to the fact that he spelled 'feint' add 'faint', as in 'the rock fainted and had to be revived'. Hence my 'desserts', like pie, and not deserts, like something you deserve.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

I think Seamus was referring to the fact that he spelled 'feint' add 'faint', as in 'the rock fainted and had to be revived'. Hence my 'desserts', like pie, and not deserts, like something you deserve.

I was aware of the grammatical slip-up, thought Seamus was referring to the tactical plan.

Fuck if I know.

[dinovelvet]

Seamus is extremely bitter this thread didn't end up how he hoped and he has been reduced to making hit and run style posts about spelling.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Seamus is extremely bitter this thread didn't end up how he hoped and he has been reduced to making hit and run style posts about spelling.

Bitter?

This thread has given me more joy than anything since my last child.

As far as hit and run, I will apologize for having gainful employment and not devoting my full time to triggering your erudite and thoughtful observations. But with the holidays winding down, perhaps I will visit this thread more often, bookmark it even.

So, feints as they work, and I have worked them to middling success, buy you how much time to close the distance? And how much distance both linear and vertical does Marciano have to close against a fighter of Wladmir's stature? Was Marciano better at the art of feinting than Chambers or Byrd? Was he "slicker"? How did that work out for those guys?

[BCS8]

[absolutely] "People underrate just how fragile (mentally and physically) Wlad really is. He still has a slight panic reflex to getting hit with big shots, which tends to make him go for the clinch, cover up etc"

You mean: OVERrate Wlad's mental fragility. In other words, we think that Wlad's mental composure is akin to a lump of sugar.

I'm not one of them.

I saw my man Sanders do that demolition job on Wlad, yet Klitschko still was trying to get up to fight. That takes big brass balls. Other people Sanders tagged cleanly simply sat down and waited to get counted out. So, no, I don't think Wlad is lily-livered.

However: he is unquestionable mentally weaker than Marciano, and he unquestionably has a lesser beard. These are the 'intangibles' that are, to be fair, hard to compare against Wlad's unquestionable advantage, his size.

What I've seen going on in this thread is huge hyping of these aspects to the detriment of a genuine discussion. That's pointless. Wlad is not going to go down to the first good shot Marciano lands, and neither is Marciano so outweighed that discussion is pointless. If weight was everything, then every other boxer would be Valuev's bitch. Clearly that is not the case.

[BCS8]

PS - Nice word play chaps

[orriray59]

Yeah, I've never really understood the bullshit argument that Wlad is a mental midget. One of the most resilient heavyweight champions of all time, really.

It takes a tremendously strong willed man to pick himself up after three devastating stoppage losses, with everybody around you telling you to quit, and continue on anyhow.

Few years later and here we are.

[MAG1965]

honestly, I see this fight being similar to Foreman vs. Frazier. Marciano being the Frazier part.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Bitter?

This thread has given me more joy than anything since my last child.

As far as hit and run, I will apologize for having gainful employment and not devoting my full time to triggering your erudite and thoughtful observations. But with the holidays winding down, perhaps I will visit this thread more often, bookmark it even.

So, feints as they work, and I have worked them to middling success, buy you how much time to close the distance? And how much distance both linear and vertical does Marciano have to close against a fighter of Wladmir's stature? Was Marciano better at the art of feinting than Chambers or Byrd? Was he "slicker"? How did that work out for those guys?

The two posts i entered into thread over the last few days took me no more than 5mins.

Yeah he was, and a lot more akward and harder to hit.

Byrd put in a pathetic attempt against Wlad. He stood right in front of him and tried to catch eveything Wlad threw on his gloves. Chambers is light fisted and it took Wlad 12 rounds to put him away.
As i said before, he is lucky enough his oppenents are willing to fight his fight.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

honestly, I see this fight being similar to Foreman vs. Frazier. Marciano being the Frazier part.

Wlad is no Foreman, not in the slightest. Terrible comparison.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Yeah, I've never really understood the bullshit argument that Wlad is a mental midget. One of the most resilient heavyweight champions of all time, really.

It takes a tremendously strong willed man to pick himself up after three devastating stoppage losses, with everybody around you telling you to quit, and continue on anyhow.

Few years later and here we are.

100% wrong as usual. He hugs desperately when a fighter gets close and doesn't let go till the ref breakes. On the offence , he hugs desperately after landing for fear of being cought.
His fighting style is built around protecting his chin at all times. That is a massive vulnerability and practicality the opposite of resilience.

The knockout's would not have been anymore devastating were it not for Wlads reaction.
A fresher, better conditioned Sanders put a worse beating on Rahman only for Rahman to rally back and knock Sanders out.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

100% wrong as usual. He hugs desperately when a fighter gets close and doesn't let go till the ref breakes. On the offence , he hugs desperately after landing for fear of being cought.
His fighting style is built around protecting his chin at all times. That is a massive vulnerability and practicality the opposite of resilience.

The knockout's would not have been anymore devastating were it not for Wlads reaction.
A fresher, better conditioned Sanders put a worse beating on Rahman only for Sanders to rally back and knock Sanders out.

I was commenting on his personality outside of the ring.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

As i said before, he is lucky enough his oppenents are willing to fight his fight.

So the crux of your evaluation of Wlad is he has dominated the heavyweight division for as long as Marciano effectively had a career because of luck.

Genius stuff.

[DDDUUDDDEE]

Originally Posted by Seamus

So the crux of your evaluation of Wlad is he has dominated the heavyweight division for as long as Marciano effectively had a career because of luck.

Genius stuff.

He's too big!, it's not fair!!