Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Ted Spoon

Marciano would win, and as Wladimir crumbled the nonbelievers would experience something very similar to what Newton would have had he been alive to witness Einstein’s theories weave their way into our lives.

A few years ago cross-trainer insinuated that it ‘gets to a point’ when a size differential is too much. Ted Spoon would counter that there comes a point when one size fits all. If size holds sway then our 7 footers would have scrubbed up better.

Very rarely is the opposite considered; Marciano was taught to fight even smaller. Many present heavyweights attempt to fight long, and upon realising Wladimir’s superiority in this department they know not how to shorten their punches, roll under jabs. Sure enough, in quick time, their confidence is shot.

Marciano would neither try to play Wladimir’s game nor would he get discouraged. Straight off the bat we have a new recipe forged from ingredients we already know the big man has trouble digesting.

So crude are some of these breakdowns that there’s this picture painted of a weak light-heavyweight pitifully swiping the air in futile efforts to clip the giants jaw.

Rocky would make him fight, he would make him uncomfortable, and as soon as he smells that which an army of incompetence has failed to invoke (namely fear) a Suzie-Q would whip around the next corner.

Nice to see you ted, havent seen you around much lately

[Seamus]

Good lord, white people and their google-eyed idolatry of Marciano. It never will stop entertaining me.

He was considered to be a weak champion in his own era, a placeholder who was not near as good as prime Louis or Dempsey or Johnson.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Good lord, white people and their google-eyed idolatry of Marciano. It never will stop entertaining me.

He was considered to be a weak champion in his own era, a placeholder who was not near as good as prime Louis or Dempsey or Johnson.

Its interesting how fighters are regarded in their own eras but discussed in another thread may be underrated in their time...marciano is hard to jusge because depending on the argument he:
1)beat up 3 of the best heavies ever in charles louiss and walcott
2) beat a light heavy, a corpse and got schooled by an old man before one punch saved him

Difference between top 10 and scraping top 20

[HOUDINI]

First of all I am no Marciano fan. I do however respect and understand true fighting ability. Marciano was rated below that of Johnson, Dempsey and Louis and he still is by those who are in the know. Nothing has changed. Fleischer who came from the OLD school of Johnson and Dempsey still rated Marciano in his top 10 all time.

[Seamus]

The greatest head to head sub 200 boxer ever, but highly susceptible to the breed of heavy that came after him.

[rusak]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

How is the 6 7 Wlad going to establish any offense vs the ultra low crouch that Rocky employed? Marciano had a tricky defense...looked like he could be hit easily but he was always bobbing and rolling with shots....not an easy target at all in reality. Rocky had no history of going down in sections as does Wlad after being clocked. When Rocky hits him on the chin, and he will, something is going to give and its not Rockys fist. This whole idea that Rocky would be slow vs Wlad is just stupid. Rocky is going to look real quick in the ring vs the walking statue.

I don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to this bunk but what the hey...

Marciano did not employ any "ultra low crouch" most of the time. Watch some actual Marciano fights for a change. Most of the time, he's in his usual stance, and it's far from an ultra low crouch. Moreover, it is very hard to box out of a low crouch. You can't move around the ring very quickly in that kind of stance. This is boxing, not wrestling.

How is Wlad going to establish any offense? Oh I don't know. How did a decrepit old Louis manage to land jabs on Marciano? And those jabs were moving in slow motion and had nowhere near the impact that Wlad's jab would.

Marciano doesn't have the footspeed to get past the jab easily. Wlad's footwork is too good and will keep the runt at the end of the monster jab. Even if Marciano is able to get inside occasionally, he won't be able to do anything meaningful. Wlad can shove him across the ring Foreman style, or just turn and step out of it.

When Wlad drops the right hand or the left hook on him, he might put Marciano's lights out with one punch. There is no evidence whatsoever that Marciano can take Wlad's power. It is highly unlikely.

[HOUDINI]

Everyone knows Rockys an all time great and he is an all time great because of many characteristics.....characteristics one always looks for within an all time great fighter. Wlad goes down in sections when hit cleanly, utterly collapses. Purity knocked him out. Wlad stumbled all over the ring with that im done get me out of here look in his eyes. You see the same with Brewster, same with Sanders. Great fighters don't have very suspect durability. Great fighters dont want to give up when hurt. Fighters who have suspect durability and dont want to continue when seriously hurt are not beating a champion like Marciano. Marciano would knock him out.

[Bollox]

Vlad comes out faster than usual trying to KO Marciano quickly, knowing that's his only chance. Marciano after taking a few bombs thinks "fukk this, this guy can hit. And he's huge. I better KO the bastard quickly" so he does. Round 3. Brutal KO

[rusak]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

Everyone knows Rockys an all time great and he is an all time great because of many characteristics.....characteristics one always looks for within an all time great fighter. Wlad goes down in sections when hit cleanly, utterly collapses. Purity knocked him out. Wlad stumbled all over the ring with that im done get me out of here look in his eyes. You see the same with Brewster, same with Sanders. Great fighters don't have very suspect durability. Great fighters dont want to give up when hurt. Fighters who have suspect durability and dont want to continue when seriously hurt are not beating a champion like Marciano. Marciano would knock him out.

You don't know shit about boxing.

[HOUDINI]

If you think Wlads an all time great fighter neither are you. He falls apart when the going gets tough. Not a mark of a great fighter.

[HOUDINI]

Your also the guy who thinks Joe Louis was the most overrated champion, Ali was not a great fighter and Charley Burley was nothing special but the walking statue who falls from the breeze of a hard punch, look like he wants to quit when hit and exhibits no ability to slip, block, parry, feint and counter can beat them all right? Lets see Louis is rated by everyone in the top 2 all time hwt champion and has been rated that high for 50 years. Ali has been rated top 2 for 30-40 years. Rated not by fans but by trainers and historians down through the years. What are you missing?

[rusak]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

If you think Wlads an all time great fighter neither are you. He falls apart when the going gets tough. Not a mark of a great fighter.

It is absolutely ridiculous when someone like yourself questions the "heart" and mental toughness of a professional prize fighter, a champion of 6 years now, who has fought many huge, tough, hard-hitting guys. Sit your ass down and show some respect.

It's styles that make fights most of all. Not "heart" as judged by clowns raised on western flicks. Get all that cowboy bullshit out of here. In reality, the "pussy" sometimes (often) beats the so-called "tough guy".

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by HOUDINI

If you think Wlads an all time great fighter neither are you.

Sometimes the greatest indictment is letting the perpetrator speak for himself.

[Danmann]

I have always rated Marciano at top, but now with guys over 6'6" becoming more common, there are naturally going to be more of them with skills of Klitschko. There is a point where the size does become an issue. Overall, pound for pound and head to head against tall past champs, Marciano. Head to head agisnt each other, ??? If more guys in 5'10 to 6'1" range step up and fight Klitschko's, we would know more.

I think Marziano's reflexes woild keep him from getting nailed so easy on way in, and if he gets close, he would not let self get toied up so easy

[RockyJim]

Marciano can't be judged simply by what you can see...he had a ton of intangibles...