Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by NoNeck

He said dominant.

He said long-reigning......... Ottke's dominant , long-reigning run of bums has left him forgotten in the annals of boxing, same as Calzaghe's 20 defences of nobodys and Wlad is destined to suffer the same fate.

[Vladimir23]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

He said long-reigning......... Ottke's dominant , long-reigning run of bums has left him forgotten in the annals of boxing, same as Calzaghe's 20 defences of nobodys and Wlad is destined to suffer the same fate.

[MadcapMaxie]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Waldo could have breezed thru all 49 of what Marciano referred to as opponents in a quick afternoon... And samples 3 rounds of the Rock before KO ing him for dessert.

FACT

Only to be Ko'd by a golfer with a beer gut in a round and a half, duck a rematch and plead for big brother to beat him up.

FACT.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Only to be Ko'd by a golfer with a beer gut in a round and a half, duck a rematch and plead for big brother to beat him up.

FACT.

You are right, no one can take the Crown of Cruiserweight Champion of Rhode Island away from Marciano... not that many worth a shit tried.

[MadcapMaxie]

Originally Posted by Seamus

You are right, no one can take the Crown of Cruiserweight Champion of Rhode Island away from Marciano... not that many worth a shit tried.

Hey, 6-0 against HOFers 5 of which can be ranked in the top 20 greatest Heavyweights ever, and he did it without a big brother to tag team tough opponents, or 4 inches of height and 30+lbs of weight over his opponents (the ones who didn't have their gut spilling over their trunks that is) or the use of PEDS. He also never ducked anyone and gave rematches to the opponents who gave him the most trouble which cannot be said of some .

[Rajon Rondo]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Hey, 6-0 against HOFers 5 of which can be ranked in the top 20 greatest Heavyweights ever, and he did it without a big brother to tag team tough opponents, or 4 inches of height and 30+lbs of weight over his opponents (the ones who didn't have their gut spilling over their trunks that is) or the use of PEDS. He also never ducked anyone and gave rematches to the opponents who gave him the most trouble which cannot be said of some .

Well said champ......well said.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Hey, 6-0 against HOFers 5 of which can be ranked in the top 20 greatest Heavyweights ever, and he did it without a big brother to tag team tough opponents, or 4 inches of height and 30+lbs of weight over his opponents (the ones who didn't have their gut spilling over their trunks that is) or the use of PEDS. He also never ducked anyone and gave rematches to the opponents who gave him the most trouble which cannot be said of some .

Proof positive the Hall of Fame is a popularity contest. Did Charles and Moore earn their induction by performance at heavyweight? Did the one armed mummified version of Louis that Marciano let win a few rounds before unscientifically chopping down have the scent of a Hall of Fame heavyweight?

Marciano certainly ranks as the top inductee to the Hall of Good Timing coming along when these corpses ruled the roost and getting out whilst the getting was good.

And... Bump.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

Hey, 6-0 against HOFers 5 of which can be ranked in the top 20 greatest Heavyweights ever, and he did it without a big brother to tag team tough opponents, or 4 inches of height and 30+lbs of weight over his opponents (the ones who didn't have their gut spilling over their trunks that is) or the use of PEDS. He also never ducked anyone and gave rematches to the opponents who gave him the most trouble which cannot be said of some .

absolutely accurate in most ways but the problem is you're throwing facts out without any context...

he beat louis...who was nearly the corpse ali was against holmes
he beat charles x 2...who was at his best at 175 and well past his best (despite taken rocky to the limit in the first one)
he beat moore...who was a brilliant light heavy and awesome heavy. not in his prime but still a viable contender
he beat walcott x 2...great wins. got his ass handed to him for most of the fight but all that matters in the ending. sequel proved he had the goods

of these, the louis win is meaningless and the charles he beat may be top 20 at heavy but not in his prime. the moore and walcott wins are damn solid. these do not make up one of the best ever heavyweight resumes to me but its pretty impressive nonetheless

btw: rocky had bricks in his gloves and injected himself with radioactive horse semen to boost his stamina. those are just as much facts as the implication that wlad is on drugs. stick to what we know, not what might help your argument IF it were true

[orriray59]

Jesus, it's back again.

[PetethePrince]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Proof positive the Hall of Fame is a popularity contest. Did Charles and Moore earn their induction by performance at heavyweight?

If Mongoose were still around he would certainly flip a switch over this one.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Jesus, it's back again.

It's got legs.

Time to sticky this bitch.

[dinovelvet]

Charles and the Old Mongoose weighed more and were better boxers than Marciano.
Wlad best win is an ex 160 pound middlewight.
In todays world a win over Chris Bryd (whose best win is an old faded Holyfield with a bum ticker) is enough to be labelled an ATG.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Charles and the Old Mongoose weighed more and were better boxers than Marciano.
Wlad best win is an ex 160 pound middlewight.
In todays world a win over Chris Bryd (whose best win is an old faded Holyfield with a bum ticker) is enough to be labelled an ATG.

Every heavyweight is an ex 160 pounder.

Is that where Byrd made his legacy?

Is heavyweight where Charles made his?

Was the carcass of Joe Louis that was thrown in the against Marciano in anyway resembling a guy who could be ranked today?

[Mega Lamps]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Was the carcass of Joe Louis that was thrown in the against Marciano in anyway resembling a guy who could be ranked today?

Yes.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by Mega Lamps

Yes.

You are kidding yourself. By that time he was a poor mans Hasim Rahman without the right hand. He was horrible, glacial in his footwork, having only the shadow of his jab and hook and no right hand. That fight saddens me as much as Ali Holmes.