Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[Rajon Rondo]

Originally Posted by Seamus

In a perfect world we don't even have to test for retards.

So, because one does not agree with your opinion, that in fact makes them retarded??

[MadcapMaxie]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Struggle to see Rocky overcoming quality discrepancy.

And please name the "quality" opponents that Wlad has overcome? Because I'd rank Walcott and Charles, yes even those versions, over every opponent Wlad has ever beat in terms of quality. Sam "Who Nex" Peter? That Brewster? That Rahman? Haye? Mormeck? Give me a fucking break.

I struggle to see Wlad overcoming someone who has the heart and the balls to win.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by MadcapMaxie

And please name the "quality" opponents that Wlad has overcome? Because I'd rank Walcott and Charles, yes even those versions, over every opponent Wlad has ever beat in terms of quality. Sam "Who Nex" Peter? That Brewster? That Rahman? Haye? Mormeck? Give me a fucking break.

I struggle to see Wlad overcoming someone who has the heart and the balls to win.

I would rank the depleted versions of the 195 pound Walcott, who fought the last two fights of a long, long career against Marciano, and 185 pound Charles, who was basically going from shot to a wheelchair, little chance to be ranked in the top 30 heavies at any time during Wlad's reign. These were old, old men who had city miles on their odometers, 70 and 95 fights respectively fought in the hard conditions of their times.

Peter, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov... all handle those two with ease.

Marciano is the King of Providence, Rhode Island Cruiserweights and the King of Advantageous Timing. He snuck into his little window of fame, one which would not have been rewarded him either before or afterward.

[Garrus]

[SP_Mauler]

Originally Posted by Seamus;14753062[B

]I would rank the depleted versions of the 195 pound Walcott, who fought the last two fights of a long, long career against Marciano, and 185 pound Charles, who was basically going from shot to a wheelchair, little chance to be ranked in the top 30 heavies at any time during Wlad's reign[/b]. These were old, old men who had city miles on their odometers, 70 and 95 fights respectively fought in the hard conditions of their times.

Peter, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov... all handle those two with ease.

Marciano is the King of Providence, Rhode Island Cruiserweights and the King of Advantageous Timing. He snuck into his little window of fame, one which would not have been rewarded him either before or afterward.

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Seamus

I would rank the depleted versions of the 195 pound Walcott, who fought the last two fights of a long, long career against Marciano, and 185 pound Charles, who was basically going from shot to a wheelchair, little chance to be ranked in the top 30 heavies at any time during Wlad's reign. These were old, old men who had city miles on their odometers, 70 and 95 fights respectively fought in the hard conditions of their times.

Peter, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov... all handle those two with ease.

Marciano is the King of Providence, Rhode Island Cruiserweights and the King of Advantageous Timing. He snuck into his little window of fame, one which would not have been rewarded him either before or afterward.

Brewster beat Wlad. . Peter and Brock are nothing to brag about. You're losing the plot now

[orriray59]

This is one of the legendary ESB threads.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by orriray59

This is one of the legendary ESB threads.

Once it gets to a hundred pages I propose it be made a sticky.

[orriray59]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Once it gets to a hundred pages I propose it be made a sticky.

Will it get that far?

[dyna]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Will it get that far?

It all depends on Dinovelvet his chin.

He was really rocked for quite some time but he came back...

[Rajon Rondo]

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[PetethePrince]

Originally Posted by Rajon Rondo

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Dick

[ripcity]

Marciano was an outstanding boxer, but he's not beating Wladimir Klitschko .

[Bummy Davis]

[quote=Seamus [gv]Peter, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov... all handle those two with ease.[/gv]



Sorry but Charles was 33,Marciano 32 and Charles was coming off 2 electrifying KO's over Wallace and Satterfield and a great performance in fight 1 with Marciano, Walcott was 38 but a fit and capable and wily specimen, I agree both men were not the same for fight 2 with Rocky and who would want to make that 15 round climb again with a man that gets stronger with each round.


Seamus I bowed out of this tread but I think you blew it with the line above Peter? Brock? Ibragamov? handle those 2 with ease Peter struggled with 38 year old James Toney who was fat and out of shape and 5'9 230lbs...Brock who did he beat with ease? Ibragimov?...I'm done

[Seamus]

[quote=Bummy Davis;14758624]

Originally Posted by Seamus [gv

Peter, Brewster, Brock, Ibragimov... all handle those two with ease.[/gv]

Originally Posted by Seamus [gv

Sorry but Charles was 33,Marciano 32 and Charles was coming off 2 electrifying KO's over Wallace and Satterfield and a great performance in fight 1 with Marciano, Walcott was 38 but a fit and capable and wily specimen, I agree both men were not the same for fight 2 with Rocky and who would want to make that 15 round climb again with a man that gets stronger with each round.

Walcott was at the the very tail end of a long, grueling career. There is simply no denying it. 70 fights in, pushing 40 years old, 7-5 over his last 12 fights...

Ezzard Charles was a faded lightheavy, plain and simple. Degenerating by the day, he would be in a wheelchair inside a decade. He would go 10-13 over the remainder of his career.

Both great fighters in their day, and Charles was an ATG at light heavy some 7 or 8 years before. However, these versions of these fighters were simply husks... and yes, a Brock or an Ibragimov would handle them with ease.