Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

[obviousalt]

Originally Posted by Jorodz

so you're giving up that comparison?

probably not though his brother will likely get in.

Both Vitali and Wlad will 100% for sure go in as they are the first brothers to unify a division.
Lewis is already in the boxing hall of fame and he retired only 9 years ago, so he's from the last 10 years. But now I'm just cherry picking

[dinovelvet]

Originally Posted by Jorodz

so you're giving up that comparison?

probably not though his brother will likely get in.

There is no blueprint to suggest Wlad beats a guy like Rocky. He beat nobody...He avoided a guys half as dangerous as Rock in Chisora and Briggs....Manny knew his limits.

[Absolutely!]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Where's the blueprint that Rocky beats a guy like Wladimir, Dinovelvet?

Bob and weave like a prime Corrie Sanders, bang to the body like prime Ali, come upstairs with a big one two just like Lalonde vs Pacman, knock him out like a prime Zuri Lawrence, dance on his grave like a prime Emmanuel Augustus.

[obviousalt]

Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Bob and weave like a prime Corrie Sanders, bang to the body like prime Ali, come upstairs with a big one two just like Lalonde vs Pacman, knock him out like a prime Zuri Lawrence, dance on his grave like a prime Emmanuel Augustus.

Shit, I thought Malignaggi hit soft

Imagine if Deontay Wilder fought this guy and get knocked out by him.

[obviousalt]

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2:20

God damn what a shot.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

There is no blueprint to suggest Wlad beats a guy like Rocky. He beat nobody...He avoided a guys half as dangerous as Rock in Chisora and Briggs....Manny knew his limits.

lol chisora was never an issue.

i remember when briggs beat lyak, he said he wanted unification with everyone but he lost his first defence. he then went awol for a bit before getting a shot at vitali.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

The only realistic argument I can think of is "Dempsey did it to Willard and Louis did it to Carnera and rocky is better than them two".

It's a leap of faith but one that isn't wholly unreasonable. It's a leap of faith I can't make but one that I can see others making.

Sanders fight is anomalous stylistically but the Brewster fight exposes wlads weaknesses. Peter is like the floor level of the fighter required. Be a bit better and taller than Peter and you can do it successfully.

Like asking Henry Armstrong to beat Jones Jr. Even if he gets inside, can someone that small really hurt someone that big?

Yes, but it's a matter of being able to work. A guy like Peter can fight off a clinch, and did seconds before the ONE time in the fight he had Wlad in real trouble. Rocky was strong, but the laws of physics themselves are against him here. He has a LONG trip inside, and when he gets their, he's going to be wrapped up snug, and probably laid on. Holding up Wlad's bulk is utterly exhausting, and not to things like cardio and arms, which fighters condition. It wears out your back, your calves. If Holyfield's headbutt is his extra weapon, if Lennox had his holding and hitting, Wlad's is his anaconda routine; It absolutely makes a difference.

[Jorodz]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Yes, but it's a matter of being able to work. A guy like Peter can fight off a clinch, and did seconds before the ONE time in the fight he had Wlad in real trouble. Rocky was strong, but the laws of physics themselves are against him here. He has a LONG trip inside, and when he gets their, he's going to be wrapped up snug, and probably laid on. Holding up Wlad's bulk is utterly exhausting, and not to things like cardio and arms, which fighters condition. It wears out your back, your calves. If Holyfield's headbutt is his extra weapon, if Lennox had his holding and hitting, Wlad's is his anaconda routine; It absolutely makes a difference.

great point. and how many fighters have said that lennox drained them by judisciously leaning on them? ali pulled down necks and exhausted fighters?

I'm not a boxer by any remote stretch but I did some fighting and sparring and at 5'5 I can absolutely tell you that a bigger guy leaning on you during a clinch or inside when it gets slow is exhausting

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Yes, but it's a matter of being able to work. A guy like Peter can fight off a clinch, and did seconds before the ONE time in the fight he had Wlad in real trouble. Rocky was strong, but the laws of physics themselves are against him here. He has a LONG trip inside, and when he gets their, he's going to be wrapped up snug, and probably laid on. Holding up Wlad's bulk is utterly exhausting, and not to things like cardio and arms, which fighters condition. It wears out your back, your calves. If Holyfield's headbutt is his extra weapon, if Lennox had his holding and hitting, Wlad's is his anaconda routine; It absolutely makes a difference.

Do you think rock's shorter arms will help him inside because he'll get his shots off quicker than wlad can clinch?

[dinovelvet]

So Wlad wins by turning into a giant snake.
This manga fellow talks so much crap i question the authenticity of his claims.
A fair and neutral ref isn't going to allow him back ride him and lock him up for as long as he pleases. He'd be DQ'd.
Everytime he'd initiate the clinch hed have his ribs caved in followed by elbows , butts , uppercuts, chest shots.
Rock would tie up as well but the difference Wlad wouldn't be hitting , Rock would , with short power shots more lethal than Wlads long range punches.

[lufcrazy]

Dino how much boxing have you done? I'd hazard a bet that magna is much more qualified than you in this matter.

[Jorodz]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Manga.

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i wouldnt **** with him...

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Do you think rock's shorter arms will help him inside because he'll get his shots off quicker than wlad can clinch?

Rocky wasn't terribly fast on the inside and prefered a bit of range to his wind em up, rock em, sock em robots swings.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by dinovelvet

So Wlad wins by turning into a giant snake.
This manga fellow talks so much crap i question the authenticity of his claims.
A fair and neutral ref isn't going to allow him back ride him and lock him up for as long as he pleases. He'd be DQ'd.
Everytime he'd initiate the clinch hed have his ribs caved in followed by elbows , butts , uppercuts, chest shots.
Rock would tie up as well but the difference Wlad wouldn't be hitting , Rock would , with short power shots more lethal than Wlads long range punches.

You've gone from dumbass to douchebag.

...or to the greatest troll of the last 93 pages.

[Jorodz]

Originally Posted by Seamus

You've gone from dumbass to douchebag.

...or to the greatest troll of the last 93 pages.

dare we say he's even better than anglosaxon