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Old 09-11-2007, 07:57 AM   #1
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Default Why do so many American fighters claim foul play

When they fight overseas. We've heard all the stories, and weve heard Wladmir Klitschko say the same thing when he fought in the states, but you hear it alot more from guys who went overseas, and now Harris is claiming foul play and poor treatment. Are they just cheaters?
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:58 AM   #2
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Holt also....

They do it in other sports also

i mean everyone does it, not just americans.

And then look what they do to guys like Felix Sturm
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:59 AM   #3
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alot of boxers claim foul play when fighting abroad - dodgy judging and strange decisions dont help this urban myth one bit ie. Green vs Bayer I
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:15 AM   #4
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When they fight overseas. We've heard all the stories, and weve heard Wladmir Klitschko say the same thing when he fought in the states, but you hear it alot more from guys who went overseas, and now Harris is claiming foul play and poor treatment. Are they just cheaters?
Whats Harris been saying then?
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:19 AM   #5
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Most American fighters don't think they will get a fair chance over seas. Regardless to whether it's true or not - it's what most of them believe.

It's the Fear of Home-Cooking. Judges in favor of their countryman. I think it's all BS - but if you believe it - it's hard for someone else to tell you different.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:22 AM   #6
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Ok just heard what Harris has been saying. Un****enbelieveable!

Just for once I'd like to hear a boxer say "Well he was just a bit too good for me" instead of making silly excuses.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:27 AM   #7
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What exactly did Harris say? Poisoned? Someone bang on his door in the middle of the night and wake him up?
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:43 AM   #8
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Ok just heard what Harris has been saying. Un****enbelieveable!

Just for once I'd like to hear a boxer say "Well he was just a bit too good for me" instead of making silly excuses.
But he wasn't too good. Harris was poisoned. Witter dressed as a bell hop Or it was voodoo. Or sickness. Or a short count. But Harris WAS the better fighter. Vivian Harris ordered some room service, some shepherd's pie, I believe, Witter was hiding out in the kitchen dressed as a bellhop. He slipped some sedatives in Harris' pie (or maybe his water) when he delivered it.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:44 AM   #9
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What exactly did Harris say? Poisoned? Someone bang on his door in the middle of the night and wake him up?
Theres another thread about it on the general forum.
Apparently Witter must be cheating coz he hit him hard. Poor little baby!
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:48 AM   #10
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Even some of the stoppages are complete garbage. Not to say Calzahge was not beating Manfredo and Sheika handily, but the ref just steps in and stops the fights, almost to the point of being ridiculous.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:50 AM   #11
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Theres another thread about it on the general forum.
Apparently Witter must be cheating coz he hit him hard. Poor little baby!
Maybe he had brass knuckles under his hand wraps. They are supposed to allow a member of the other fighters camp to watch the handwrapping, so they dont cheat.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:33 AM   #12
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Because, these days, American fight fans are often male prostitutes, and abandon a boxer the moment he loses. That's why they don't have boxers like Frank Bruno, Alex Arthur or Wladimir Klitschko, who lost only to learn and develop into world champions. Jeff Lacy was practically dumped overnight, and will never be a superstar again, but with proper fan support he could be a world champion again.

The only way for American boxers to escape this fate is to have a good excuse. If American fans were as fiercly loyal as fans in other countries, then American boxers wouldn't have to spout so much bullshit to try to save their careers.

After all, that's how it used to be- Americans didn't lose all hope in Joe Louis just because he lost to Max Schmeling, and as a result they got arguably the best heavyweight ever. Aside from not being labelled "whores", the reward for loyal fans is that their boxers often learn from their loss and improve. Not everyone can be an undefeated boxer; in fact, probably less than 0.01% of all boxers ever have had less than two losses.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:37 AM   #13
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Theres another thread about it on the general forum.
Apparently Witter must be cheating coz he hit him hard. Poor little baby!
Go to Boxing.......talk and read the whole interview with the pathetic Vivian Harris (You don't have to be a member). Harris sounds like a real PUNK.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:01 AM   #14
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Because, these days, American fight fans are often male prostitutes, and abandon a boxer the moment he loses. That's why they don't have boxers like Frank Bruno, Alex Arthur or Wladimir Klitschko, who lost only to learn and develop into world champions. Jeff Lacy was practically dumped overnight, and will never be a superstar again, but with proper fan support he could be a world champion again.

The only way for American boxers to escape this fate is to have a good excuse. If American fans were as fiercly loyal as fans in other countries, then American boxers wouldn't have to spout so much bullshit to try to save their careers.

After all, that's how it used to be- Americans didn't lose all hope in Joe Louis just because he lost to Max Schmeling, and as a result they got arguably the best heavyweight ever. Aside from not being labelled "whores", the reward for loyal fans is that their boxers often learn from their loss and improve. Not everyone can be an undefeated boxer; in fact, probably less than 0.01% of all boxers ever have had less than two losses.
While I agree, the promoters and managers of fighters over here are complete whores, the fans overseas have to be some of the most ignorant boxing fans Ive ever seen. Thats why guys like Frank ****** can sell out fights like Calzahge Mcentire, Tyson Francis, and the fans think its a credible fight. The fans over here are much more knowledgeable about whats a real fight and whats simply an exhibition type fight.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:05 AM   #15
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No the fans arnt ignorant! They just back thier fighter whatever! Unlike yourselves!
No their ignorant, because they get on here and claim greatness everytime they beat a shot fighter.
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