Let's Look At John Ruiz For A Second.................. - Page 3

standing 8 · 09-13-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

that is a whole issue by itself, Glass Jaw Roy handpicked Ruiz becuase he was the worst beltholder at the time. Then ole Glass Jaw tried to tell us he was fighting a man "50 pounds" (a lie) more than him and tried to make Ruiz out to be some knockout artist when in reality his last KO before the Jones fight was 1998!

Jones wanted to fight Michael Moorer before the Ruiz fight back in the late '90's and Moorer turned him down. I think that the main reason Jones wanted the match with Ruiz was because he was one of the smaller champions in the Heavyweight division.

lefthook31 · 09-13-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

that is a whole issue by itself, Glass Jaw Roy handpicked Ruiz becuase he was the worst beltholder at the time. Then ole Glass Jaw tried to tell us he was fighting a man "50 pounds" (a lie) more than him and tried to make Ruiz out to be some knockout artist when in reality his last KO before the Jones fight was 1998!

Why do you keep calling him glass jaw Roy? Roy Jones was basically a middleweight or super middleweight tops. To accomplish what he accomplished fighting at LH alone is huge. To fight any legit heavy, and Ruiz certainly proved he is legit, is something that is rarely seen. Ruiz dropped guys like Holyfield and Kirk Johnson, so its not like hes feather fisted. Every fighter handpicks opponents, and yes Ruiz was the easiest target, but still the odds only slightly favored Jones at fight time, and many so called experts believed Roy would be steam rolled by Ruiz. Roy's chin certainly got worse after putting his body through the weight and muscle gains and losses from his move up and down, but during his reign as undisputed LH champ, he certainly proved he could take a decent shot from a bigger guy. If you cant recognize that, go back and watch some Roy Jones fights starting when he was a MIDDLEWEIGHT, and watch how he dominated all the way through LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT, ignoramous.

kg0208 · 09-13-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by standing 8

Jones wanted to fight Michael Moorer before the Ruiz fight back in the late '90's and Moorer turned him down. I think that the main reason Jones wanted the match with Ruiz was because he was one of the smaller champions in the Heavyweight division.

It is. And Lennox Lewis publicly said that Jones offered him 25 million to fight after he beat Ruiz, but Lewis turned it down and told Jones he was unsure of his plans. So he obviously was looking to fight the real champ as well, though he would have lost.

Amsterdam · 09-13-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

It is. And Lennox Lewis publicly said that Jones offered him 25 million to fight after he beat Ruiz, but Lewis turned it down and told Jones he was unsure of his plans. So he obviously was looking to fight the real champ as well, though he would have lost.

I'd have given Jones a good shot at Byrd, which coupled with his win over Ruiz would have been something special in this era.

kg0208 · 09-13-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

I'd have given Jones a good shot at Byrd, which coupled with his win over Ruiz would have been something special in this era.

No idea why he didn't fight Byrd. No excuses here....I just don't know. Maybe no money in it? Maybe he thought he would lose? Who knows.

Amsterdam · 09-13-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

No idea why he didn't fight Byrd. No excuses here....I just don't know. Maybe no money in it? Maybe he thought he would lose? Who knows.

Had to be money, I think next to Ruiz, Byrd was Jones' most likely fight to win at HW. It would have at least solidified him in his HW attempt, just because Ruiz was just a poor champion, even though highly ranked with wins.

Jones/Lennox would have been an absurd mismatch.

Tell you what though, Jones could have easily beaten Rahman. He could have been a real HW contender, depending. And I also wouldn't have picked any of the CW's over Jones, maybe it would have benefitted him to pick up the Cruiser belt before draining back down to milk dud.

lefthook31 · 09-13-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

Had to be money, I think next to Ruiz, Byrd was Jones' most likely fight to win at HW. It would have at least solidified him in his HW attempt, just because Ruiz was just a poor champion, even though highly ranked with wins.

Jones/Lennox would have been an absurd mismatch.

Tell you what though, Jones could have easily beaten Rahman. He could have been a real HW contender, depending. And I also wouldn't have picked any of the CW's over Jones, maybe it would have benefitted him to pick up the Cruiser belt before draining back down to milk dud.

I can agree with this, but really Jones should have retired after winning the heavyweight title. He had already beaten Tarver, even though it was somewhat controversially,and won titles from middle to heavy. He definitely tarnished his career by going on. I can actually see Trinidad beating him too, which would really be a sad sight.

A-50 · 09-13-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

Well then, at least you didn't deny you have the agenda of discrediting Jones. Cuz that would be a lie.

You still like to bend reality for Euro fighters.

False. The ONLY Euro fighter I like is Vitali Klitschko. I also like Calzaghe but do not consider him a "Euro" fighter. Also, Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw and handpicked fighters his whole damn career. Those are Facts. Seems like you are one of his nuthugger fans that can't accept the fact that he ducked anyone with power, never took a risk, and priced himself out of every big fight because he knew he would get KOed.

A-50 · 09-13-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

It is. And Lennox Lewis publicly said that Jones offered him 25 million to fight after he beat Ruiz, but Lewis turned it down and told Jones he was unsure of his plans. So he obviously was looking to fight the real champ as well, though he would have lost.

BS. Jones said he would fight Lennox for 50 million dollars. So Jones was going to make 50 million and the legit Heavyweight Champ was going to make 25 million? LOL.

kg0208 · 09-13-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

False. The ONLY Euro fighter I like is Vitali Klitschko. I also like Calzaghe but do not consider him a "Euro" fighter. Also, Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw and handpicked fighters his whole damn career. Those are Facts. Seems like you are one of his nuthugger fans that can't accept the fact that he ducked anyone with power, never took a risk, and priced himself out of every big fight because he knew he would get KOed.

No, not false. I see you push Euro fighters constantly. Calzaghe not a Euro fighter? Is he from Africa?

I don't care about your opinion of Jones because honestly, its an outright lie and you can't prove a word of it. You're hatred bugs you and it's why you constantly bitch about Jones.

Opinions are facts, but you can go through life thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

You have a pretty pathetic point of view....and you can't call anyone nuthugger after posting that Vitali should get the Ring title after not having fought in years.

kg0208 · 09-13-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

BS. Jones said he would fight Lennox for 50 million dollars. So Jones was going to make 50 million and the legit Heavyweight Champ was going to make 25 million? LOL.

Tell Lennox Lewis that....just cuz Jones said something publicly doesn't mean that was the offer presented at the table. Most remember Lewis' statement. If you don't know about it, mark it down as another thing in life you don't know.

A-50 · 09-13-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

No, not false. I see you push Euro fighters constantly.

I don't care about your opinion of Jones because honestly, its an outright lie and you can't prove a word of it. You're hatred bugs you and it's why you constantly bitch about Jones.

Opinions are facts, but you can go through life thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

Which Euro fighters do I push? I would like to see some evidence.

Loufatski · 09-13-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

Since it seems there are many people here who think Ruiz was a fighter that fought within the rules and has such a great resume let's look at him for a second.

KOed by Tua in 19 seconds

Lost to not one but TWO former Middleweights (Jones/Toney)

His style was so boring and pathetic it caused a referee to make a mercy stoppage versus Oquendo for the fans (I can never remember seeing this since)

Has to fake low blows to beat Kirk Johnson (pathetic)

Glass Jaw Roy Jones handpicks you to win a Heavyweight Paper Title (this should be the real evidence that Ruiz is horrible)

The only reason Ruiz "won" a belt was King thought he could create a Latino PPV Heavyweight star to the huge Latino fanbase, too bad the fighter he picked for this was boring and just basically a club fighter. King's plan backfired.

Ruiz is a terrible fighter with a cheating "style" end of story.

Any watch Ruiz fight Golota?? I've never seen so much holding in my life!! Golota won the fight, and they gave it to Ruiz!! UGGHHHHHHHH!

A-50 · 09-13-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

Tell Lennox Lewis that....just cuz Jones said something publicly doesn't mean that was the offer presented at the table. Most remember Lewis' statement. If you don't know about it, mark it down as another thing in life you don't know.

What I remember was an interview by Max Kellerman on the Best Damn Sports Show (when Kellerman was with Fox) and he asked Jones if he would fight Lennox and the answer was 50 million. Lennox would have KOed Glass Jaw Roy with a jab.

lefthook31 · 09-13-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by A-50

False. The ONLY Euro fighter I like is Vitali Klitschko. I also like Calzaghe but do not consider him a "Euro" fighter. Also, Roy Jones has a Glass Jaw and handpicked fighters his whole damn career. Those are Facts. Seems like you are one of his nuthugger fans that can't accept the fact that he ducked anyone with power, never took a risk, and priced himself out of every big fight because he knew he would get KOed.

How can you like Vitali? He is the king of handpicking opponents, quitting in fights, and postponing fights. Calzahge hasnt fought anyone close to the caliber of Jones Jr comp. You must not see too many fights.