OSCAR-FLOYD mistake?

Action · 09-13-2007, 11:46 AM

OSCAR-FLOYD: WAS IT BOXING’S BIGGEST MISTAKE IN DECADES?

BOXING'S “BITTER” REALITY CHECK!

San Francisco, CA- If you think about it, even when boxing tries to do something right, it usually fails. You know, like the Tower of Power tune, “You can’t fall up, you just fall down.” The reason I bring this up is that the Boxing Gods decided to throw the dice with the Floyd Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya May 5 match. Here is the $64,000 question: Why would you gamble the family jewels on a fight that on paper looked like a gloved dance contest?

UFC HAS BOXING IN REAR VIEW MIRROR!

The answer is the reason why boxing is no longer looking at the UFC in the rear view mirror. Boxing, because of the cut throat system that has existed since day one, as a business it could care no less about any future. In the current state of boxing, promoters live only for their moment. There is “no future” in the vernacular of boxing’s money brokers. Thus, they operate with flagrant disregard for the health of the sport/business.
UFC PPV CARD WAS ON FREE SPIKE TV!

Give credit where it’s due, and Dana White of the UFC deserves a ton. This past Saturday, he put the man that knocked out his biggest star Chuck Liddell out, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson on Spike TV Saturday night in a delayed broadcast from the UK. Actions like this are why Dana White was promoter of the year for 2006, and probably 2007 as well. Spike gave the show a major push, and to showcase Liddell’s conqueror as they build for an early 2008 rematch, this was pure genius!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT BOXING’S FUTURE!

When was the last time anybody in boxing took a financial hit in order to do something positive? OK, that didn’t take too long to figure out, never! Look HBO, and to a lesser extent Showtime, these are the real promoters of boxing in the US today. And neither entity will allow their product to be “re-showcased” on Network TV. If HBO wanted to do it right, they’d buy airtime on the networks and replay their “special” fights.

YOUNG ONES SAY GAME IS “OLD-FASHIONED”

This would be a great way to cultivate new fans, as the sport is considered by young people, get this, as either “old-fashioned” or worse, “fixed.” It’d be pretty tough to get somebody of that mindset to throw down $50 bucks on a PPV. So, how do we change the course? We follow the UFC blueprint to the letter, by putting on shows that the masses have an opportunity to see without shelling out rubles.

ESPN: “THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN”

Boxing needs to say goodbye to ESPN, as they are nothing but a posse of pimps emanating from Bristol, CT. Their pay schedule in the 1980’s was four times what it is today. I’ll repeat that in case ya’ missed it. ESPN is paying 25% of what they were in the 1980’s. And I’m not taking into consideration the value of a 1988 dollar in comparison to 2007. They just decided a few years ago that they were going to strong arm promoters sans impunity. And even though ESPN is paying 25% of what they used to, they have no problems getting rid of dates.

BAD FIGHTS MAKE BRIAN & TEDDY STARS!

You cannot get good guys to fight each other on ESPN because of the lack of money. That’s why keeping score of ESPN boxing can be done with a piece of “chalk.” In other words, the promoter’s guy wins 99% of the time. That’s why Teddy Atlas and Brian Kenny are the stars of Friday Night Fights, because the fights are usually one-sided. Hey, they tried making oft-loser Emanuel Augustus an ESPN poster boy, even though he had lost a dozen times or more. Need I say anymore?

Relentless · 09-13-2007, 11:50 AM

why do you think the ufc 75 was on for free?? you think even quarter of the people would have watched it if it was ppv?

Sug3 · 09-13-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

why do you think the ufc 75 was on for free?? you think even quarter of the people would have watched it if it was ppv?

Nope and i think hbo should have more triple headers.

TroubleLurks · 09-13-2007, 11:57 AM

I can't get interested in the UFC. I have tried and I just can't do it.

Imperial1 · 09-13-2007, 12:03 PM

Artilce brings up some valid pts ..

Sug3 · 09-13-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TroubleLurks

I can't get interested in the UFC. I have tried and I just can't do it.

The knockouts and tapouts are cool,but the grappling and wrestling is too damn gay.

Marnoff · 09-13-2007, 12:15 PM

"It’d be pretty tough to get somebody of that mindset to throw down $50 bucks on a PPV."

Like the over two million who bought Floyd vs. Oscar?

thewoo · 09-13-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

why do you think the ufc 75 was on for free?? you think even quarter of the people would have watched it if it was ppv?

Actually UFC almost always breaks 1 million buys. Boxing on the other hand does not (usually). I can only think of one fight this year and that was DLH mayweather. Plenty of people that don't normally watch boxing tuned in and they were disapointed.

A card being free does not mean that there is not a high demand for it. It could be quite the contrary. take the superbowl for example. It is the highest rated event in the US all year. A 30 second commercial costs in excess of 2 million dollars. The fact that the demand to see the event is so high makes it worth an advertisers money to pay the bill for it in order to get his message across.

This UFC event bringing in so many views means major exposure for UFC. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 5 years we end up seeing a lot of MMA events on network TV the way boxing was back in the 70's and 80's

Jose FM · 09-13-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

why do you think the ufc 75 was on for free?? you think even quarter of the people would have watched it if it was ppv?

Probably... They always do good.

achillesthegreat · 09-13-2007, 02:23 PM

It wasn't a mistake at all. It was a big fight that was good but not great. Whoever thought Floyd was going to abandon what he has done for so many years. Floyd will brawl against guys he know he can brawl against. Against the Castillos, DLHs etc he'll do it in bursts. He will also do it when he NEEDS to do it i.e. losing the first rounds v Judah.

DLHvFloyd just showed that to this day marketing is appreciated more than the actual fighters and fight. It showed with top press conferences, quotes, interviews, documentary etc that you can make a big fight.

thewoo · 09-13-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

It wasn't a mistake at all. It was a big fight that was good but not great. Whoever thought Floyd was going to abandon what he has done for so many years. Floyd will brawl against guys he know he can brawl against. Against the Castillos, DLHs etc he'll do it in bursts. He will also do it when he NEEDS to do it i.e. losing the first rounds v Judah.

DLHvFloyd just showed that to this day marketing is appreciated more than the actual fighters and fight. It showed with top press conferences, quotes, interviews, documentary etc that you can make a big fight.

I think what he means is that marketing a fight like this in the way that they did is bad for boxing in the long run. Everyone who knows anything about boxing knew that the fight would be mediocre. Problem is that they marketed to people that don't know boxing. These people tuned in expecting to see something special and instead they got a fight that was fit for B.A.D. I doubt those people will be too anxious to watch boxing again any time soon

BoardBULLY · 09-13-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thewoo

Actually UFC almost always breaks 1 million buys.

no they dont. liddell vs tito 2 did ONE million buys. thats it

achillesthegreat · 09-13-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thewoo

I think what he means is that marketing a fight like this in the way that they did is bad for boxing in the long run. Everyone who knows anything about boxing knew that the fight would be mediocre. Problem is that they marketed to people that don't know boxing. These people tuned in expecting to see something special and instead they got a fight that was fit for B.A.D. I doubt those people will be too anxious to watch boxing again any time soon

Other big fights should be marketed like this fight was. Not this fight being marketed badly like other big fights.

There are such big gaps between a boxers career that he should continously be doing interviews, documentaries, huge press conferences etc It is their job. If you want to get paid like a celebrity then you are going to have the same duties as a celebrity.

Action · 09-13-2007, 08:06 PM

DLH vs PBF was over hyped and the fight didn't live up to the hype. It will be years (if ever) that American boxing can come back from that snow job. The general sports fan won't buy the hype again. There will never be those kinds of numbers again in the near future.

brooklyn1550 · 09-13-2007, 08:17 PM

It was no mistake, I was glad it happened. The hype and buildup brought back memories of the 1980s.

09-13-2007, 11:46 AM	#1
Action Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 593 vCash: 1000	OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? OSCAR-FLOYD: WAS IT BOXING’S BIGGEST MISTAKE IN DECADES? BOXING'S “BITTER” REALITY CHECK! San Francisco, CA- If you think about it, even when boxing tries to do something right, it usually fails. You know, like the Tower of Power tune, “You can’t fall up, you just fall down.” The reason I bring this up is that the Boxing Gods decided to throw the dice with the Floyd Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya May 5 match. Here is the $64,000 question: Why would you gamble the family jewels on a fight that on paper looked like a gloved dance contest? UFC HAS BOXING IN REAR VIEW MIRROR! The answer is the reason why boxing is no longer looking at the UFC in the rear view mirror. Boxing, because of the cut throat system that has existed since day one, as a business it could care no less about any future. In the current state of boxing, promoters live only for their moment. There is “no future” in the vernacular of boxing’s money brokers. Thus, they operate with flagrant disregard for the health of the sport/business. UFC PPV CARD WAS ON FREE SPIKE TV! Give credit where it’s due, and Dana White of the UFC deserves a ton. This past Saturday, he put the man that knocked out his biggest star Chuck Liddell out, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson on Spike TV Saturday night in a delayed broadcast from the UK. Actions like this are why Dana White was promoter of the year for 2006, and probably 2007 as well. Spike gave the show a major push, and to showcase Liddell’s conqueror as they build for an early 2008 rematch, this was pure genius! NOBODY CARES ABOUT BOXING’S FUTURE! When was the last time anybody in boxing took a financial hit in order to do something positive? OK, that didn’t take too long to figure out, never! Look HBO, and to a lesser extent Showtime, these are the real promoters of boxing in the US today. And neither entity will allow their product to be “re-showcased” on Network TV. If HBO wanted to do it right, they’d buy airtime on the networks and replay their “special” fights. YOUNG ONES SAY GAME IS “OLD-FASHIONED” This would be a great way to cultivate new fans, as the sport is considered by young people, get this, as either “old-fashioned” or worse, “fixed.” It’d be pretty tough to get somebody of that mindset to throw down $50 bucks on a PPV. So, how do we change the course? We follow the UFC blueprint to the letter, by putting on shows that the masses have an opportunity to see without shelling out rubles. ESPN: “THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN” Boxing needs to say goodbye to ESPN, as they are nothing but a posse of pimps emanating from Bristol, CT. Their pay schedule in the 1980’s was four times what it is today. I’ll repeat that in case ya’ missed it. ESPN is paying 25% of what they were in the 1980’s. And I’m not taking into consideration the value of a 1988 dollar in comparison to 2007. They just decided a few years ago that they were going to strong arm promoters sans impunity. And even though ESPN is paying 25% of what they used to, they have no problems getting rid of dates. BAD FIGHTS MAKE BRIAN & TEDDY STARS! You cannot get good guys to fight each other on ESPN because of the lack of money. That’s why keeping score of ESPN boxing can be done with a piece of “chalk.” In other words, the promoter’s guy wins 99% of the time. That’s why Teddy Atlas and Brian Kenny are the stars of *Friday Night Fights*, because the fights are usually one-sided. Hey, they tried making oft-loser Emanuel Augustus an ESPN poster boy, even though he had lost a dozen times or more. Need I say anymore?
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09-13-2007, 11:50 AM	#2
Relentless ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East London Posts: 32,975 vCash: 1900	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? why do you think the ufc 75 was on for free?? you think even quarter of the people would have watched it if it was ppv?
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TroubleLurks ** spell check ESB Senior Member** Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunshine St. Posts: 1,386 vCash: 1000	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? I can't get interested in the UFC. I have tried and I just can't do it.
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Marnoff Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 12,586 vCash: 1000	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? "It’d be pretty tough to get somebody of that mindset to throw down $50 bucks on a PPV." Like the over two million who bought Floyd vs. Oscar?
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09-13-2007, 02:23 PM	#10
achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,047 vCash: 1000	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? It wasn't a mistake at all. It was a big fight that was good but not great. Whoever thought Floyd was going to abandon what he has done for so many years. Floyd will brawl against guys he know he can brawl against. Against the Castillos, DLHs etc he'll do it in bursts. He will also do it when he NEEDS to do it i.e. losing the first rounds v Judah. DLHvFloyd just showed that to this day marketing is appreciated more than the actual fighters and fight. It showed with top press conferences, quotes, interviews, documentary etc that you can make a big fight.
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09-13-2007, 08:06 PM	#14
Action Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 593 vCash: 1000	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? DLH vs PBF was over hyped and the fight didn't live up to the hype. It will be years (if ever) that American boxing can come back from that snow job. The general sports fan won't buy the hype again. There will never be those kinds of numbers again in the near future.
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09-13-2007, 08:17 PM	#15
brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 12,024 vCash: 1000	Re: OSCAR-FLOYD mistake? It was no mistake, I was glad it happened. The hype and buildup brought back memories of the 1980s.
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