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Old 09-13-2007, 06:16 PM   #1
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Default Joan Guzman is overrated...

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He gets by with SD/Uds against halfway good competition. Fighters who had sh*tty losing records are mostly the ones he scored (T)KO's...
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:20 PM   #2
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

Talk is cheap .. but saying you want to fight Pac and calling him out isn't!
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:21 PM   #3
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Talk is cheap .. but saying you want to fight Pac and calling him out isn't!
Arce called Pac out also... So what is your point?
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:22 PM   #4
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

I don't think he would beat Pacquiao, Marquez, or Barrera, but I think he beats Soto and Valero. Make no mistake, he is one of the best at 130. A match with Jorge Linares would be interesting.
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

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He gets by with SD/Uds against halfway good competition. Fighters who had sh*tty losing records are mostly the ones he scored (T)KO's...
He is not a KO kinda fighter. So this isn't really relevant.

Not KOing people doesn't make you overrated.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:07 PM   #6
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

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Arce called Pac out also... So what is your point?
Arce couldnt even fight Vic D. in his own division, do you really think he was gonna actually fight? So whats your point?
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:10 PM   #7
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

Do you guys realise that we haven't seen the best of Guzman yet? He clowns and toys with opponents far too much, fights their fight even at times when he ought to be wiping them out.

I think he'd take a fight with Pac or JMM more seriously. But I'd pick Pac over him this point, I think Joan would defeat JMM though.

If anything, he's underrated.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:11 PM   #8
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feel free to watch a Joan Guzman fight before commenting! He peppered that cheat Jorge Barrios all night long. The scores don't reflect the outcome, it was pretty one sided. He's not a knockout artist, so what? He's a winner and I can't wait for November 17. That said, I think Soto will win.
Exactly and he stupidly fought Barrios' fight in the process. 8-4 Guzman would have been an adequate score.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:11 PM   #9
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

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He gets by with SD/Uds against halfway good competition. Fighters who had sh*tty losing records are mostly the ones he scored (T)KO's...
Describing his win over Barrios in the context shows a total lack of objectivity. That win can best be described as a schooling.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:12 PM   #10
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Guzman's stance is like Taylor's.
You deserve 20 lashes for comparing a great fighter in Guzman, to a disgrace like Taylor.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:13 PM   #11
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SD or not, Guzman clearly beat Barrios
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:16 PM   #12
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I knew that would get you, but yeah their stances are alike.
Guzman reminds me a bit of a mini-James Toney with less tentativeness.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:22 PM   #13
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Arce called Pac out also... So what is your point?
Well Arce is an extreme-counter example .. Didn't he admit that his latest whopping was justified b/c of his pre-fight trash talk... LOL what a jerk!

Whereas, JG a mild mannered fighter was making a candid call out, which holds a lot weigth IMO.

He reminds me of Ricky admitting he wasn't ready for Mayweather after his American premiere.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:13 PM   #14
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Default Re: Joan Guzman is overrated...

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You deserve 20 lashes for comparing a great fighter in Guzman, to a disgrace like Taylor.

wow, hold up are we talking about jermain taylor??? because if we are there is no way u could compare guzman to taylor in any way esp. on what has been accomplish so far on both fighters careers....
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:24 PM   #15
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last time i checked, you can with both by stoppage or points. a win is a win. therfore, guzman is not overrated due to the arguements that you gave.

i don't think anyone claims that guzman has one punch ko power in both hands, so no, he is not overrated. your way of thining is flawed
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