Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson

ChrisPontius · 09-13-2007, 07:57 PM

After the statements made refering to Holmes fighting Tyson, that Holmes heard about it one week before it happened or had only one month to train, etc. All the Bill history revisionism ended when i watched Tyson vs Biggs, with a Holmes interview after it.

For clarity, Tyson fought Biggs in October 1987. So this interview was conducted three months before Tyson fought Holmes.

Here is a link to the interview that i put online:

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

In case you don't want to watch or can't, here are some things he said that oblitarate Bill's statements. Because i had to repeat all my arguments about 4 times before they sunk in, in the past, i made the relevant statements clearer to read.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interview with Larry Holmes, October 2007

Thompkins: Larry, is there a deal for you to fight Mike Tyson?
Holmes: "Yes it's a deal, there's a few things we have to work out yet, but it's a deal.
You know, i'm ready to go in there with Mike some time january, whatever date they want."

[...]

Holmes: "Well i tell you, sometimes a layoff is the best for you. As you know i was fighting 4 - 5 times out of a 12 month-period. Sometimes there's wear and tear on your body and you need a good rest. I think the rest probably helped me more by not going into the gym everyday and not getting up in the morning every day and i think that rest helped me pretty much.

And i got that desire again to go out there one more time and show the people who the real heavyweight champion is and give it back to the dogs.

And for Bill's statement "Holmes was only in there with Tyson for the paycheck, he didn't really want to win, just money:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Interview with Larry Holmes, October 2007

Thompkins: "You might be the first grandfather to be heavyweight champion.".

Holmes: "No doubt about it, if i didn't think i could win, i wouldn't get back in the ring. I don't need the money, i'm very rich with what i have, and i'm happy - happily married, and i'm just gonna keep on doing what i'm doing.

[...]

Thompkins:" Don, is there a name on the contract and a date for this fight? Is it gonna happen and if so, when?"

King: It's gonna happen in january. [...] When i went down to him talking about fighting, he put on a 15 round exhibition, it was stupendous. [..] He stated to me by no uncertain indication that he's ready - and he's gonna be in there ready to fight.

Robbi · 09-13-2007, 08:18 PM

Holmes came out of retirement for the money during the early 90's, as his business ventures were not doing as well as expected at the time. Maybe Bill is getting confused. Holmes came out of retirement to accept the challenge of fighting the new kid on the block, combined with the purse. He never needed the money, but no question the $3 million was part of the reason he decided to fight Tyson.

JohnThomas1 · 09-14-2007, 02:49 AM

Bill? lol

fists of fury · 09-14-2007, 02:55 AM

I really must invest in a set of speakers. So you put that on youtube Chris? Nice.

My dinner with Conteh · 09-14-2007, 09:52 AM

Yep. I've already told Bill that the Holmes fight was being talked about the day after the Tucker borefest, as Tyson't next contest after Biggs but his goldfish span memory obviously forgot about it three seconds later.

Danny · 09-14-2007, 11:51 AM

Have any of us read Lerry Holmes: Against the Odds? It's Holmes' life story & is a great read. Larry himself gives a good insight on the Tyson fight.

Holmes states he never came back just for the money, he was already rich & owned a great deal of Easton, had Larry Holmes' enterprizes etc. However, the $3M played a part.

Larry is man eniugh to admit in the book that when it came time to walk to the ring to face Tyson, he didn't want to go. He said he realised at that moment that he had tried to annoy, upset Tyson with some trash talk in the build-up & that he knew Tyson, a young, hungry fighter at the time, was coming for him.

Larry tells it like it is in the book & for those who haven't read it, I would highly recommend it.

My dinner with Conteh · 09-14-2007, 12:05 PM

It's a very good book. That still doesn't stop him from his half-truths concerning some issues, e.g. The Tyson fight, the Mallard Years.

mr. magoo · 09-14-2007, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

It's a very good book. That still doesn't stop him from his half-truths concerning some issues, e.g. The Tyson fight, the Mallard Years.

I don't think that any book, documenatary or even testimony from Jesus Christ all mighty himself could have explained some of Holmes' choices for title defenses. I would have taken every participant sitting at the table in the last supper over Cobb, Rodriguez, Zanon, Evangelista, Bey, L. Spinks or Ledoux.

ChrisPontius · 09-15-2007, 07:24 AM

Still waiting for Bill to join the party!

MrMagic · 09-15-2007, 08:19 AM

Bill is owned.

Luigi1985 · 09-15-2007, 09:24 AM

C´mon guys, don´t be too hard on him, he´s only 13 years old. He trains at his gym, it´s no wonder that he defends him in every single thing.

JohnThomas1 · 09-15-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

C´mon guys, don´t be too hard on him, he´s only 13 years old. He trains at his gym, it´s no wonder that he defends him in every single thing.

An early education is a good one. Personally i think he is treated quite well in here considering some of his statements. The good old ESB Classic section can always be counted on for it's soft and patient nurturing....

Well, certainly compared to other places

Luigi1985 · 09-15-2007, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

An early education is a good one. Personally i think he is treated quite well in here considering some of his statements. The good old ESB Classic section can always be counted on for it's soft and patient nurturing....

Well, certainly compared to other places

Agreed. But Bill will understand that, he seems to be a smart guy!

JohnThomas1 · 09-15-2007, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

Agreed. But Bill will understand that, he seems to be a smart guy!

I'll leave this one well alone

mr. magoo · 09-15-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

C´mon guys, don´t be too hard on him, he´s only 13 years old. He trains at his gym, it´s no wonder that he defends him in every single thing.

Agreed,

As much as I appreciate Chris Pointius's insights on a lot of issues, I think that he spends too much of his time trying to change Bill's views. As you already said, he's 13 years old and knows Holmes personally ( at least he says ), It's obvious why he's such a fan of him, and at times, is easily misled by certain half truths.

I say leave the kid alone and move on.

09-13-2007, 08:18 PM	#2
Robbi Marvelous East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 7,766 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Holmes came out of retirement for the money during the early 90's, as his business ventures were not doing as well as expected at the time. Maybe Bill is getting confused. Holmes came out of retirement to accept the challenge of fighting the new kid on the block, combined with the purse. He never needed the money, but no question the $3 million was part of the reason he decided to fight Tyson.
Top

09-14-2007, 02:49 AM	#3
JohnThomas1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 12,184 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Bill? lol
Top

09-14-2007, 02:55 AM	#4
fists of fury Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: March for Revenge Posts: 10,601 vCash: 1325	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson I really must invest in a set of speakers. So you put that on youtube Chris? Nice.
Top

09-14-2007, 09:52 AM	#5
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Yep. I've already told Bill that the Holmes fight was being talked about the day after the Tucker borefest, as Tyson't next contest after Biggs but his goldfish span memory obviously forgot about it three seconds later.
Top

09-14-2007, 11:51 AM	#6
Danny Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,730 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Have any of us read Lerry Holmes: Against the Odds? It's Holmes' life story & is a great read. Larry himself gives a good insight on the Tyson fight. Holmes states he never came back just for the money, he was already rich & owned a great deal of Easton, had Larry Holmes' enterprizes etc. However, the $3M played a part. Larry is man eniugh to admit in the book that when it came time to walk to the ring to face Tyson, he didn't want to go. He said he realised at that moment that he had tried to annoy, upset Tyson with some trash talk in the build-up & that he knew Tyson, a young, hungry fighter at the time, was coming for him. Larry tells it like it is in the book & for those who haven't read it, I would highly recommend it.
Top

09-14-2007, 12:05 PM	#7
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,599 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson It's a very good book. That still doesn't stop him from his half-truths concerning some issues, e.g. The Tyson fight, the Mallard Years.
Top

09-15-2007, 07:24 AM	#9
ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 11,749 vCash: 238	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Still waiting for Bill to join the party!
Top

09-15-2007, 08:19 AM	#10
MrMagic Super Six East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 24,458 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson Bill is owned.
Top

09-15-2007, 09:24 AM	#11
Luigi1985 Cane Corso ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,319 vCash: 1000	Re: Special for Bill1234: Larry Holmes interview pre Holmes-Tyson C´mon guys, don´t be too hard on him, he´s only 13 years old. He trains at his gym, it´s no wonder that he defends him in every single thing.
Top