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Old 09-17-2007, 06:46 AM   #1
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Default Care to speculate on what may have been different for these guys if they were white?

Sam Langford

Muhammad Ali

Chris Byrd



What, if anything, would heave been different about their careers?
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:11 AM   #2
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It would have played a big part imo.
We have a lot more haters on these guys saying Ali fought in a weak era.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:13 AM   #3
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We have a lot more haters on these guys saying Ali fought in a weak era.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:15 AM   #4
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ALI COULD HAVE NOT BEEN MORE POPULAR but he may have gone to NAM, byrd would still be a small, light hitting heavyweight with gifted wins vs Oquendo,Golota. LANGFORD FOUGHT IN AN ERA WHERE IT MATTERED BUT HE STILL WOULD BE AVOIDED, WHITE OR BLACK
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Its true, you dont see nearly as much smack talk about Ali, as Dempsey and Marciano are talk as. Just think if he were white.
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:22 AM   #6
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Its true, you dont see nearly as much smack talk about Ali, as Dempsey and Marciano are talk as. Just think if he were white.
Well here's another way of looking at it - a white conscienscus objector isn't going to get anything like as hard a time as a black one. Secondly, Ali isn't even getting into the organisation he was in if he was white.

If Ali was white and all other aspects of his being remained the same, he wouldn't lose those precious years - his peak years - to a ban.
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byrd would still be a small, light hitting heavyweight with gifted wins vs Oquendo,Golota.
A small, skilled white fighter taking on the black giants of the HW division is massive box office regardless of Byrd's power deficit.

At the very least, he would have got the Lewis fight.
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It must be rember there were a lot of whites protesting the war Also. Who knows?? Maybe White Ali becames a Hippy with long hair singing give Peace a chance??
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Old 09-17-2007, 07:27 AM   #9
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Its true, you dont see nearly as much smack talk about Ali, as Dempsey and Marciano are talk as. Just think if he were white.


Agreed!
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It would have played a big part imo.
We have a lot more haters on these guys saying Ali fought in a weak era.
So what you're saying is, because the majority of people out there don't rate Dempsey or Marciano quite as high as Ali, then they must be racists?
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Well when they start ranking guys like Bowe who has 1 mere title defense or 7-0-1 L Spinks over Dempsey and Marciano, than I must be thinking of why???

Outside of Holyfiled, Bowe relly didnt do anything of note.
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Uh-oh.

Before we get involved in a race riot here, this is a thread about the prejudice these men may or may not have faced in their careers rather than a general discussion about race and how it affects perception of ESB's posters.

Let's try to keep it on topic so nobody gets hurt.
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Sam Langford would have gotten a shot at Johnson i think, donīt know who would have won. He also still would be avoided by many but it would be more difficult because a white fighter of Langfordīs caliber would mean big money fights.
He'd also be a title holder, possibly at heavy as well as middle and Ligh-heavy making him much harder for the top men to duck - I wonder if he would have done any ducking himself?


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Chris Byrd would be much more popular and earn more money but thatīs about it.
Do you think he would have got the shot at Lewis?
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Well when they start ranking guys like Bowe who has 1 mere title defense or 7-0-1 L Spinks over Dempsey and Marciano, than I must be thinking of why???

Outside of Holyfiled, Bowe relly didnt do anything of note.
Well, obviously there are people of an unsound mind out there who would rate Spinks over Marciano or Dempsey. The only way Bowe could possibly rank higher than Marciano or Dempsey would be on a head to head basis and thats if you were purely looking at the very best example of Big Daddy from 1992.

The small minority of people who hate on Marciano and Demspey do so because they lack knowledge and what little they do have generally only extends about as far back as Tyson.
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So non you guys invision Ali joing the Hippy movement of the 60's than?
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