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Old 09-14-2007, 08:33 PM   #16
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:02 PM   #17
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Steve Zouski is the best white fighter of all time. No need to even make a list.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:49 PM   #18
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Calzaghe, Kessler, Klitschko, De La Hoya, Hatton, Bute, Povetkim, Malianggi, Pavlik, Lee, Duddy, Diaconu
de la hoya is not white.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:27 PM   #19
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Steve Zouski is the best white fighter of all time. No need to even make a list.
Steve was a nice guy. I worked with him once on a roof in Brockton when I was an amateur. Both of us trained with Goody and Pat.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:11 AM   #20
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Fair enough, although I'd consider "best Asian fighter" to be more of a geographical question unless it referred to Asians as a race.

In any event, I don't think it's possible to delete this thread, since "great white hopes" and similar silliness have always existed in boxing.
I know. I wasn't really thinking we should. I was just trying to find a dramatic protest. Snuff it came out.

You can see where it went, though. Now people are arguing over whether de la Hoya is white.

For their information, people who believe in race and blood and all that bullshit say that white Hispanic is white. Hispanic is ethnic not racial. Good example is Ricky Ricardo. So de la Hoya is white.
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:09 AM   #21
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De La Hoya has a lot of spanish blood. His mother was very light skinned. Oscar seems to have taken after her more than his dad. His dad has the more aztec look - darker skin. The Spanish, Basque, Irish, Scotch, Welsh are related. They are celtic people. Of course the Moors were in Spain centuries ago which is why you see a lot of more swarthy Spanish with black hair and olive skin. Also, the black Irish (Irish people with dark hair) could have roots from Spain as thousands of sailors from the Spanish armada stayed and hid in Ireland from the British. I don't consider Italians to be latino as Dudenum pointed out. I am 1/2 Italian myself and I always thought of Italians as white europeans. Not that there is anything wrong with being latino of course.
even if he's mixed with spanish blood or any european blood, many whites from america label him as hispanic, and not WHITE.
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Old 09-15-2007, 03:45 AM   #22
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I should have said light-skinned.
Anyway.
It's strange - people either rate the good fighters of today up there, or pre-60.
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:25 AM   #23
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Thext up is a thread on who were the greatest fighters with ginger hair.
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:32 AM   #24
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Thext up is a thread on who were the greatest fighters with ginger hair.
There can be only one.

Dmille, nice list but you left of Fritzie Zivic.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:45 AM   #25
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Thext up is a thread on who were the greatest fighters with ginger hair.
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Using the posters criteria Greb
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:59 PM   #26
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You are absolutely right.
and according to major historians, spain was controlled by the moors (african-muslims) for 700 years.. so you know lol
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even if he's mixed with spanish blood or any european blood, many whites from america label him as hispanic, and not WHITE.
Are you an American? Because in America, de la Hoya is a white Hispanic, which means that while racially he's white, ethnically he's Hispanic.

You are confusing race and ethnicity, Bad Intentions. White Hispanics are white, nonwhite Hispanics are black.
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Old 09-15-2007, 03:29 PM   #28
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Paul Spadafora
Ken Buchanan
Brian Mitchell
Barney Ross
Benny Leonard
Clarence Adams
Lou Ambers
Greg Haugen
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:04 PM   #29
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1 Duran
2 Leonard
3 Monzon
4 Marciano
5 Greb
6 Tunney
7 Pep
8 Chavez
9 Dempsey
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De La Hoya has a lot of spanish blood. His mother was very light skinned. Oscar seems to have taken after her more than his dad. His dad has the more aztec look - darker skin. The Spanish, Basque, Irish, Scotch, Welsh are related. They are celtic people. Of course the Moors were in Spain centuries ago which is why you see a lot of more swarthy Spanish with black hair and olive skin. Also, the black Irish (Irish people with dark hair) could have roots from Spain as thousands of sailors from the Spanish armada stayed and hid in Ireland from the British. I don't consider Italians to be latino as Dudenum pointed out. I am 1/2 Italian myself and I always thought of Italians as white europeans. Not that there is anything wrong with being latino of course.
Latino means Latin, the language of the ROmans i.e. Italians.

Same with "hispanic" - from Spain.

I don't know too many people who think Spanish & Italian people are not white.

Anyway, this just goes to show how silly the whole racial categories are. Joe Louis had fairly light skin and yet he's called "black". That tells me either everyone in America suffers from colour-blindness, or that people are more obsessed with totally artificial categories than how someone actually looks.
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