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Old 09-14-2007, 08:33 PM   #46
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Well lets just say hes headed in the right direction, but I would have liked to see him fight Jones or Hopkins, those would have been great fights, and would have really established him as a great fighter, had he beaten one of them. Thats why I dislike ******, he is only out for one thing, and thats money. He could give a dam about making the best competitive fights or his fighters legacy, and thats why Hatton got smart and jumped ship.
He certainly could have fought better fighters, and it is too late most likely for him to step up. Fighting Hopkins now means little.

He would need to fight the young guns.....and probably at 175.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:34 PM   #47
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By most people.

And he was. That performance was ****ing sublime.
Most people is not provable and yes the performance was great. But Whitaker was just as great and in a division fighting guys bigger than him. Regardless, it had nothing to do with what I said, and like I said, you bash Jones when it's convenient to build up Collins and Benn.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:38 PM   #48
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Then he anihilated undefeated Tim Littles who Eubank ducked (when Benn went for the WBC, Eubank informed the WBO that he didn't want to fight Littles (who was #2 behind Benn) so in their next rankings suddenly Tony Thornton was #1 and Littles #2), looking super-sharp, and then did a job on Prince Charles Williams, fighting off the ropes brilliantly and taking him out with a perfect punch.
No one is doubting how good Toney was bud. I am saying he was not rated ahead of the legendary ATG Pernell Whitaker.

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Even after Jones beat Toney he was behind Whitaker.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:40 PM   #49
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What the hell are you talking about?
Don't worry about it. It doesn't really matter and I shouldn't have brought it up.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:44 PM   #50
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Holy shit, a magazine said different

































I'm changing my own opinion!
Were we talking about your opinion only? If this is your response to proof that one of the more reputable magazines and widely used ratings in the sport had Whitaker still over Toney, then I rest my case. Sarcasm certainly doesn't help yours.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:51 PM   #51
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Ring Magazine is just as much bias and bullshit as, say, ***********.com or the legendary James Slater. They are human writers, it's all subjective.

Toney was the best in the business, when he was at 68. In my opinion (and many others I remember).
If they are biased because they are just human, then its fair to say that the people you refer to, including yourself, are just as biased because you are also human. And therefore none of this really matters at all.

Just keep in mind, Whitaker had no lost since 1988 and had won the 135, 140, 147, and 154 titles between the time that loss and his next one to DLH in 1997. It is not a slight to Toney to be rated behind one of the greatest fighters of all time in 1993-1994. Remember, in 1993, before Jones fought Toney, Whitaker had a draw with the great JCC which most thought he won. That is why he was rated ahead of Toney.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:54 PM   #52
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He was 222lbs six weeks out, and was in hospital the night before on a machine keeping him alive.

Jones's style is all wrong for Toney, but I'd still take Toney at his best to take him.

He was in a machine the night before keeping him ALIVE?

222 lbs six weeks out? You have a link to these things? I would love to know what commission would have let him fight when he was on life support the night before.
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:55 PM   #53
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Jones only beat Toney because he was super fast . That didn't last and Toney would kick the shit out of him now and probably anytime in the last 7 years or so . The only thing Jones ever had going for him was unreal speed and reflexes . He's not a real fighter like Toney , No way Toney got 10x the balls Roy ever thought about having !
Yah, you're not a Jones hater right? It didn't last? Jones wouldn't lose for 10 years after this fight.

Move on dude...as I said, you wreak of Brawler.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:05 PM   #54
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Jones's style is all wrong for Toney, but I'd still take Toney at his best to take him.
I don't think so...Jones would always spell trouble for James.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:07 PM   #55
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I'm not a hater that is the truth . Toney can still kick ass against guys Jones would piss his pants with if he had to fight them . 10 years is nothing and it was more like 8
1994 to 2004....10 years. Perhaps 9 years and a 6 months.

And 10 years is a long time in boxing. Very long.

And yes, you're a hater....you said Jones was never good in the other thread, and come up with derogatory names for anyone who argues with you. We go by your actions, not your excuses.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:08 PM   #56
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Calzaghe's opp isn't bad. It's just not good for someone of his stature, or his supposed stature as one of the top fighters in the world. There have been fights that he should have been a part pf that broke down to to him, as well as the opponent. I reckon when he retires, he'll have more questions about him then actual answers.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:21 PM   #57
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Calzaghe wasn't even a 'real' champ until he beat Lacy.

He's defended that against 2 C-level fighters.

I'm happy he's facing Kessler, but up til this point he's got a joke of a resume for people to consider him p4p material.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:47 PM   #58
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The Calzaghe fan just needs to STFU when it comes to Roy..there is no comparison in any aspect of the sport. Sorry ..go fish....as the post above shows Roy as I said fought better guys in the 90s
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:52 PM   #59
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Roy easily destroys Joe Calzaghe in their primes at 168 - no one argues that.

However, Roy's competition at 175 is about the same level as Joe's at 168

Roy fought his best two fighters at 160 and 168.
This is pretty accurate...of course Jones has the HW win.

I am not a Calzaghe fan BTW TooPretty, my comparison was in view of the way they are judged by others. Not about their competition, skill level, or anything else.
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I'm a fan of Calzaghe's but he's not even in my top five favorite fighters.

The guy is a unique talent, supremely gifted and I think would give anyone at 168lbs their toughest fight, including RJJ Jr.

But RJJ Jr at 168 was as invincible as anyone is ever going to get and would still KO Calzaghe within 9.
Calzaghes fast hands would mean nothing to a prime Roy..that would just mean more counter punch opps...Calzaghe has fast hands..Roy had unrealistic fast everything...He made James Toney look like a turtle and he had ok hand speed for a 168 guy with his quick counters. Prime Roy would tap dance on Calzaghes ass.
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