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Old 09-15-2007, 12:43 AM   #1
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Joe Calzaghe in any category of boxing. He will beat him prime for prime at 168. He would beat him to the HOF. He beats him on skill and boxing ability as JT is one of the best skilled guys of our ERA bar none. JT was elite for over 10+ years. To assume a swarmer like Calzaghe would beat JT ..easily..or not even make it 50/50 is re****ed to say the least. It would be fun to see Calzaghe get cracked with counter right hands all night long and see how he would react with a better boxer in the ring with more skill. Just my view.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:47 AM   #2
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I aint exactly a JC fan. But it is pretty easy to point out that Toney has several losses over his career, and JC has none.

I mean, Thadzi?
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:48 AM   #3
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He would beat him to the HOF.
What, you mean in a go-kart race?
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:49 AM   #4
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I aint exactly a JC fan. But it is pretty easy to point out that Toney has several losses over his career, and JC has none.

I mean, Thadzi?
Toney has also fought the much greater opponents, hence the more losses. If Calzaghe had fought Jones, I'd be almost positive his record would be 4...whatever...-1

Have you seen the Thadzi fight? Pretty damn close, in a period of Toney's career where he wasn't exactly considered elite
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:49 AM   #5
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Joe Calzaghe in any category of boxing. He will beat him prime for prime at 168. He would beat him to the HOF. He beats him on skill and boxing ability as JT is one of the best skilled guys of our ERA bar none. JT was elite for over 10+ years. To assume a swarmer like Calzaghe would beat JT ..easily..or not even make it 50/50 is re****ed to say the least. It would be fun to see Calzaghe get cracked with counter right hands all night long and see how he would react with a better boxer in the ring with more skill. Just my view.
I'd like to agree, but?? Toneys performances were too inconsistent. I vomited when he did what little he did vs RJJ.

Unfortunately?? JT has a serious history of underperforming in BIG EVENTS, JC would be a big event.

Toney had one of the best Defenses in many years but always let conditioning and lack of volume bring him down.

As sick as it makes me to say it?? Calzaghe probably outworks him like RJJ did
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:49 AM   #6
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50/50 fight in which I would pick Calzaghe to win

Here is my ****ysis from a different thread

Toney-Calzaghe is a very interesting matchup. First off, Toney was such a crafty fighter who knew every trick in the book, could stand in one place and make you miss/pay, and he could throw every punch in the book as well. His straight right hand counter could spell trouble for Calzaghe as that is the punch he is most vulnerable to. And Calzaghe would leave himself open for some great Toney counters. Toney would most certainly not be getting stopped by Calzaghe either.

However, Calzaghe may just have the style to beat Toney at 168. Calzaghe's workrate, hand speed, and footwork would cause Toney problems. Toney is the greater fighter, the better counter puncher, the craftier fighter, has the better chin, the better jab, and was the better defensive fighter, but I believe Calzaghe has all the tools to win a close decision over Toney. I think he would keep Toney off balance with his feints and movements, work his way inside, fire off quick punches, and move right back out of range. Calzaghe would be the one staying busier and throwing more punches. Let's not forget the awkward angles and punches Calzaghe give and throws. Calzaghe is no slouch on the inside either - he's a truly dynamic fighter. Additionally, I also think Calzaghe has the chin and toughness to survive a late Toney onslaught.

Toney was best against slower, come forward guys, but against Calzaghe, I see him having trouble getting set to counter. Toney had an excellent, shot-gun jab, but Joe's a southpaw, so I doubt he would be able to effectively establish it.

Joe Calzaghe by unanimous decision

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Old 09-15-2007, 12:50 AM   #7
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I aint exactly a JC fan. But it is pretty easy to point out that Toney has several losses over his career, and JC has none.

I mean, Thadzi?
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yeah......I guess JT fighting in 5 divisions against championship caliber opponents in all of them and he was robbed the first Peter fight..lol..anyway...Calzaghe who???? wins against mandatories.. I dont think you need to be on a boxing site......
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:52 AM   #8
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NAHHHHH...Calzaghe has nothing on JT...at 168 or anywhere.. You cannot compare how he looked in with Roy to calzaghe..calzaghe is nothing like roy in any aspect of fighting..not even close.....IN ANYTHING.
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You never know, even though I do favor JT as well.
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NAHHHHH...Calzaghe has nothing on JT...at 168 or anywhere.. You cannot compare how he looked in with Roy to calzaghe..calzaghe is nothing like roy in any aspect of fighting..not even close.....IN ANYTHING.
JC is a very good SMW and has fast hands and high volume.

A lethargic JT and.....It's an L!!

It gives me no pleasure to say that, as I said JT's defense and ability is incredible, yet he fell short and underperformed too often.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:56 AM   #11
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JT is good in there with big sluggers.. and people who press the fight with big shots .. you get a guy in there with fast hands and in and out tricky movements ..
toney has trouble getting set ....

i dont see toney out working any one with tons of speed and **** ..
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:59 AM   #12
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James Toney is the better boxer in my opinion, at least he fought the best in all 5 divisions. Anybody good that Calazaghe fought were either out of there prime or never really had one. If Toney fought Calazaghe the night he fought Barkley, he would of took JTs head off.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:00 AM   #13
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I mean JC would get knocked out.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:01 AM   #14
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James Toney is the better boxer in my opinion, at least he fought the best in all 5 divisions. Anybody good that Calazaghe fought were either out of there prime or never really had one. If Toney fought Calazaghe the night he fought Barkley, he would of took JTs head off.
Ok... I'll buy the night of Barkley, but any other night??

IT's Calzaghe.

I've got mad respect for Toney, I've wished many times that he could be more consistent.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:06 AM   #15
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Calzaghe would not beat Toney....and HOF...Hall of Fame........................................I thought that was simple.
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