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Old 09-15-2007, 12:51 PM   #76
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Yeah no shit. You're the one using the volume punching argument.
volume punching used with footwork and SPEED is a real different story, especialy when u consider the angle's joe is taking to throw them.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:54 PM   #77
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JC would do a better job (obviously) then jirov did of outworking JT, but instead of throwing arm punches at nothing, JC would be more accurate, more measured, would not be there to hit, ect...

Ill take JC by decision. Unless someone can break it down for me why JC would not just win more rounds through his aggression and workrate.

I think he has too much activity and movement for james.... the jirov fight was no walk in the park, and i think JC would do a much much much better job.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:55 PM   #78
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JC would do a better job (obviously) then jirov did of outworking JT, but instead of throwing arm punches at nothing, JC would be more accurate, more measured, would not be there to hit, ect...

Ill take JC by decision. Unless someone can break it down for me why JC would not just win more rounds through his aggression and workrate.

I think he has too much activity and movement for james.... the jirov fight was no walk in the park, and i think JC would do a much much much better job.
yep, Toney had trouble with jirov who is far from JC in term of abilities
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:09 PM   #79
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When did Joe ever fight somebody on Toney's level????...NEVER..!

James is not Tocker Pudwell..

Slappy would NOT be able to wade-in behind those girlish..wide..sloppy combos..because Toney would pull-counter and KNOCK HIS ASS COLD..

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING

Toney's lethal right hand is always ****ED and HIDDEN..His chin is ALWAYS TUCKED(unlike Joey)behind his shoulder..There is nothing there but TROUBLE for anybody SQUARED-UP as Calizzhaggi

Joe also has a bad habit of PULLING STRAIGHT BACK..

That might work in WBO land..but it'll SURELY get you KTFO in WBC..IBF..and WBA Country..

THAT'S WHY JOE DUMPED THE IBF...HE DIDN'T WANT TO FACE THE TOUGHER CONTENDERS

Only an old tranny would pull a stunt like that..
ur hate is blinding u and only show us that your boxing knowledge is limited.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:13 PM   #80
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When did Joe ever fight somebody on Toney's level????...NEVER..!

James is not Tocker Pudwell..

Slappy would NOT be able to wade-in behind those girlish..wide..sloppy combos..because Toney would pull-counter and KNOCK HIS ASS COLD..

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING

Toney's lethal right hand is always ****ED and HIDDEN..His chin is ALWAYS TUCKED(unlike Joey)behind his shoulder..There is nothing there but TROUBLE for anybody SQUARED-UP as Calizzhaggi

Joe also has a bad habit of PULLING STRAIGHT BACK..

That might work in WBO land..but it'll SURELY get you KTFO in WBC..IBF..and WBA Country..

THAT'S WHY JOE DUMPED THE IBF...HE DIDN'T WANT TO FACE THE TOUGHER CONTENDERS

Only an old tranny would pull a stunt like that..
i dont know hit about boxing?

right...


sorry... if jirov could make things tough on toney, by coming forward applying pressure, and throwing arm punches at toneys shoulders... shit... the last couple rounds he was barely looking where he was throwing... and he stood RIGHT in front of toney just getting hit at will..

your saying JC couldnt do that? ya... hes not as powerful as jirov, but hes faster, speed is much more effective against toney then power.

ya... i dont know shit about boxing.. lol. kk bud. oh... is this juiced toney or... if there is such a thing... non juiced toney?
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:17 PM   #81
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Yes they are, most definitely. Too much drugs.
Then why don't you provide us a detailed analysis breaking down the fight and breaking down each fighter's strengths and weaknesses and how they would do against eachother.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:18 PM   #82
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thats what many said about Jirov, who is bigger and even more of a volume puncher than Calzaghe. The volume punching argument cannot be used here, sorry.
sup piffer...

i actually do think it works here, because it would be used by JC to effectively take rounds that are up in the air imo... when toney is doing nothing, or trying to take him to the ropes to counter off him (like he did greatly against jirov) but his workrate and volume i think, though in numbers aspects is not as great as jirovs, in effectiveness i think is better.... he wont just stand in front of toney winging punches, and eating power bombs all night like jirov. i think his speed, volume, and that he wont be there to hit much for toney, just spell bad news for JT.

I think they go back and forth but with JC winning the rounds 8-4 abouts..... just through his activity, movement and speed... and not letting JT effectively counter in return... like hes been able to do against most opponents cuz they stand there for him, trying to unload their own shots.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:20 PM   #83
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I think they actually know better..Deep down inside they KNOW Joe ain't shit compared to James Toney

Unlike Shitty Joe..James has been fighting in big fights against ELITE comp since he was in his 20's
In terms of resume and overall accomplishments, yes, Joe Calzaghe is not in James Toney's league. But when you break down this fight, Joe Calzaghe matches up very well with James. Head to head and accomplishments are two different things.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:20 PM   #84
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At least Toney fought somebody worth a shit, Calzaghes resume is realitively nameless. You can talk shit on Taylor as much you want but its pretty sad when a 27 yearold who had the title a little more than 2 years now, has a better resume than a man who held a title for more than 10 years now.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:21 PM   #85
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Then why don't you provide us a detailed analysis breaking down the fight and breaking down each fighter's strengths and weaknesses and how they would do against eachother.
Dude.... come on now...

they just previded us with...


'You're blind as Mr MaGoo'


These mofos are really TRIPPIN'



uuuuuh..... this is concrete right here man. No further explenation needed. i can see now that JT would knock out JC easy, cuz... well...

''Slappy Joe couldn't walk 10cm in Toney's footsteps''
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Dude.... come on now...

they just previded us with...


'You're blind as Mr MaGoo'


These mofos are really TRIPPIN'



uuuuuh..... this is concrete right here man. No further explenation needed. i can see now that JT would knock out JC easy, cuz... well...

''Slappy Joe couldn't walk 10cm in Toney's footsteps''
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:22 PM   #87
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At least Toney fought somebody worth a shit, Calzaghes resume is realitively nameless. You can talk shit on Taylor as much you want but its pretty sad when a 27 yearold who had the title a little more than 2 years now, has a better resume than a man who held a title for more than 10 years now.
As far as im concerned, there is no doubt in my mind that AS OF NOW, Toney should and is ranked much much higher then JC... based off his longevity, resume, obvious abililty, and all around bad assness.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:29 PM   #88
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How can you talk about juiced fighters with a pic of VARGAS in your siggy?

****ING HYPOCRITE

Joe would get caught by the same sneaky right hand that FLOORED Jirov..but he would not get up..

The Jirov fight was at cruiser...
At 168 Toney was in his prime..and just WAYY too much for Joe..
What makes you think that one sneaky right hand would knock out Joe for the 10 count? Are you saying this based off past evidence of JC being knocked out cold?
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:44 PM   #89
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Allow me

Not only has Toney been in bigger fights with far better Comp..

His stance is far superior to Joe's

Toney fights at an angle...his chin tucked behind his soulder..his right hand..hidden..

Joe on the other hand..has faced far less formidable opposition..and he tends to come in wide..he has a habit of keeping his chin in the air..and he pulls STRAIGH BACK

Toney is by far the bigger puncher..and has the skill and craftiness to fight much bigger guys..Joe does not fight bigger men..

Toney does not slap..nor is he afraid of stiff competiton
Good analysis - I have no problems now that you have explained your thinking
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Old 09-15-2007, 02:16 PM   #90
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volume punching used with footwork and SPEED is a real different story, especialy when u consider the angle's joe is taking to throw them.
Thats right

But the sacrifice of power that comes from that will not be enough to bother James, who has been in with and beaten fighters who have both better footwork and equal or greater handspeed than Calzaghe. He could outwork James early on, but with no real power that can bother James, he'd get countered, even after he hit James flush.
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