Does Pacquiao Beating MAB Again Move Automatically Him Up P4P?

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by chimba

I say Floyd #1 also..if both win their fights..

As a PAC fan..I wouldnt want the injustice of seing PAC become number 1 for any other reasons than demolishing all the contenders at 130. Only then can he surpass Floyd.

Now for Floyd to keep up..he also must defeat the top contenders of his weight class. remaining undefeated beating B levels and going to cut it...

so the answer is yes PBF can stay undefeated but can be unseated by a guy who has beaten better competition.

Yes if Pacman beats MAB then beats JMM and PBF beats Hatton then fights Rivera, then Pacman moves ahead.

[chimba]

Originally Posted by kg0208

Yes if Pacman beats MAB then beats JMM and PBF beats Hatton then fights Rivera, then Pacman moves ahead.

[PacDbest]

Originally Posted by chimba

I say Floyd #1 also..if both win their fights..

As a PAC fan..I wouldnt want the injustice of seing PAC become number 1 for any other reasons than demolishing all the contenders at 130. Only then can he surpass Floyd.

Now for Floyd to keep up..he also must defeat the top contenders of his weight class. remaining undefeated beating B levels and going to cut it...

so the answer is yes PBF can stay undefeated but can be unseated by a guy who has beaten better competition.

Check my previous post. That one Nails the Coppin.

[chimba]

Originally Posted by PacDbest

How about the undefeated Jermain Taylor??? He was as high as #4 but now out of the top 10. He was demoted to the ranks because he is unimpressive. Pac overtakes Winky even thou winky never lost. This is because Pac was more impressive against elite fighter. Same thing with Hatton he went up up to top 5-6 but demoted for unimpressive fights with Collazo & Urango.

It's very Clear Floyd needs to win as impressive as Pac to keep his Place at the Top.

Spot on Pare! but according to KG he never dropped taylor from "his" list

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by chimba

Spot on Pare! but according to KG he never dropped taylor from "his" list

This is about our own lists right? Why should I drop the unbeaten Taylor? He fights everyone and every fight he has had since Hopkins is against a former champion. This thread isn't about Rings list.

[chimba]

Originally Posted by kg0208

This is about our own lists right? Why should I drop the unbeaten Taylor? He fights everyone and every fight he has had since Hopkins is against a former champion. This thread isn't about Rings list.

You pick Taylor over Pavlik??

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by chimba

You pick Taylor over Pavlik??

No, and in the prediction thread PacD started on end of the year P4P lists, Taylor doesn't appear on mine and Pavlik is something like 8 or 9. But I won't drop a fighter for not losing to a championship level fighter, just not putting on a good show. Sometimes its a bad night, sometimes styles don't mesh. Sometimes, Spinks runs away.

[mad_takamura]

Originally Posted by kg0208

Yes, I know you don't only care about Pacman. It was a flawed statement. As was yours about me. Rating Pacman #2 P4P doesn't make me a hater. Rating him where most fans who are not Pinoy doesn't make me a hater. Dig up my posts and you will see that I have defended Pacman (just did so earlier today when someone in this very thread said he was not as PROVEN as MAB at 130) as well. Actually, I rarely criticize Pacman....I do however criticize his fanbase. And not because they cheer him, they should. But often many will say derogatory things about other fighters to try and boost Pacmans standing in their discussion when opposition rises. Or they will rate him using a certain criteria, then that criteria disappears when it is pointed out that it makes another fighter better or makes Pacman look worse.

Do YOU rank fighters based on excitement or what the outcome of the fight is?

i agre with you that the outcome of the fight is more important but don't take away excitement out of the window. without it there will be no growing fanbase and popularity to the sport.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by mad_takamura

i agre with you that the outcome of the fight is more important but don't take away excitement out of the window. without it there will be no growing fanbase and popularity to the sport.

I love the excitement. Its why I watch Pacman and Cotto. But it's so subjective. I am a thinker, so alot of the time it is very exciting for me to see a chess match (DLH-Trinidad) and PBF has been in a couple of those and I think this will be one. I find that exciting, and many don't.

So I take the outcome of the fight to objectively rank. In this case, I can't move Pacman up in my own rankings and wouldn't agree that PBF should drop in Ring's because he wins a clear but boring decision even if Pacman wins by KO. PBF is fighting the better fighter (now, not in ATG status) IMO and PBF is not a KO fighter. If we judged on excitement, then it would put boxers at a distinct disadvantage with sluggers.

[mad_takamura]

Originally Posted by kg0208

I love the excitement. Its why I watch Pacman and Cotto. But it's so subjective. I am a thinker, so alot of the time it is very exciting for me to see a chess match (DLH-Trinidad) and PBF has been in a couple of those and I think this will be one. I find that exciting, and many don't.

So I take the outcome of the fight to objectively rank. In this case, I can't move Pacman up in my own rankings and wouldn't agree that PBF should drop in Ring's because he wins a clear but boring decision even if Pacman wins by KO. PBF is fighting the better fighter (now, not in ATG status) IMO and PBF is not a KO fighter. If we judged on excitement, then it would put boxers at a distinct disadvantage with sluggers.

i have a haunch roach is morphing pac to become an in-boxer ala duran and hatton.

[PacDbest]

Originally Posted by kg0208

I said what I believed, not what Ring believes. I still have Taylor #5 in my p4p list. I didn't drop him. And I don't think his Spinks or Ouma fight were close.

Pacman didn't move ahead of Wright because he was more impressive in his wins, it's because he fought and beat better fighters. Wright had a draw with Taylor and beat an old Quartey.

In this case, Pacman is not fighting a better fighter than PBF is, so the Wright situation doesn't apply. And as I said, I don't drop fighters based on how exciting they are in the ring.



PBF is not a KO fighter, so a clear decision over a prime Hatton is better to me than a KO over a fighter we already know Pacman can KO who is not in his prime.

KG, you are full of Crap!!! Now you said Pac Beat a Better fighter but in the last thread we debate you said Pac beat a Shot Morales. Winky fought a Prime Taylor & Quartey (who probably matches Pac's tune against Larios).

Pac moved up to #2 because he is so impressive destroying an elite fighter although not Prime. While Winky can't dominate Taylor & Old Quartey.

Hatton better than MAB??? Hatton is a one dimensional who was exposed by Collazo & retreat back to 140. Now moving up again to fight the Champ at 147.

MAB(a skilled veteran) was on top 10 P4P before his close loss to top 10 P4P also in JMM. Some say He won, well some say Hatton lost to Collazo too, including me. So in my view Hatton & MAB are almost equal assignment for PBF & Pac.

It's not about who is exciting. It's about who consistently give an impressive wins.

[mad_takamura]

Originally Posted by PacDbest

KG, you are full of Crap!!! Now you said Pac Beat a Better fighter but in the last thread we debate you said Pac beat a Shot Morales. Winky fought a Prime Taylor & Quartey (who probably matches Pac's tune against Larios).

Pac moved up to #2 because he is so impressive destroying an elite fighter although not Prime. While Winky can't dominate Taylor & Old Quartey.

Hatton better than MAB??? Hatton is a one dimensional who was exposed by Collazo & retreat back to 140. Now moving up again to fight the Champ at 147.

MAB(a skilled veteran) was on top 10 P4P before his close loss to top 10 P4P also in JMM. Some say He won, well some say Hatton lost to Collazo too, including me. So in my view Hatton & MAB are almost equal assignment for PBF & Pac.

It's not about who is exciting. It's about who consistently give an impressive wins.

although i really want hatton to win i think pbf might outbox him too considering his style is tailor-made for pbf.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by PacDbest

KG, you are full of Crap!!! Now you said Pac Beat a Better fighter but in the last thread we debate you said Pac beat a Shot Morales. Winky fought a Prime Taylor & Quartey (who probably matches Pac's tune against Larios).

Pac moved up to #2 because he is so impressive destroying an elite fighter although not Prime. While Winky can't dominate Taylor & Old Quartey.

Hatton better than MAB??? Hatton is a one dimensional who was exposed by Collazo & retreat back to 140. Now moving up again to fight the Champ at 147.

MAB(a skilled veteran) was on top 10 P4P before his close loss to top 10 P4P also in JMM. Some say He won, well some say Hatton lost to Collazo too, including me. So in my view Hatton & MAB are almost equal assignment for PBF & Pac.

It's not about who is exciting. It's about who consistently give an impressive wins.

If you're gonna turn this into the name game, then we can just move on.

Pacman did beat a shot Morales IMO. But that's my opinion and you cannot change it anymore than I can change yours. We were comparing this to PBF's resume, not Wrights. PBF has never lost or had a draw, Wright has. So bringing up what I said about Pacmans recent resume compared to PBF's is not the same as bringing up Pacman's resume compared to Wright's. I never said Pacman had a bad resume, so I don't know why you are so worked up.

Beating Morales is equal to a draw with Taylor IMO. Beating Larios at 130 is better than beating Quartey at 160 to me. (Both are 2 weight classes up from prime weight, but Quartey is in his late 30's). So Pacman moved ahead of Wright.

And you can push this all you like, but you will find few who think that MAB at his current state is as good as a Prime Hatton. And you will not convince me otherwise. Some say MAB lost to Juarez as well...but the outcome was MAB won, same as when Hatton fought Collazo.

Stop always looking for a fight with me.

[PacDbest]

Originally Posted by kg0208

This is about our own lists right? Why should I drop the unbeaten Taylor? He fights everyone and every fight he has had since Hopkins is against a former champion. This thread isn't about Rings list.

Don't save Face KG, I already destroy your argument. If we are not talking about the Ring, why am I debating you. Pac was already my # 1 p4P long time ago. This thread started because of Nigel Collins comments so you knew all along the we are talking about the Ring rankings. Just admit it, you are wrong. Pac can take over even if PBF wins in a borefest.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by PacDbest

Don't save Face KG, I already destroy your argument. If we are not talking about the Ring, why am I debating you. Pac was already my # 1 p4P long time ago. This thread started because of Nigel Collins comments so you knew all along the we are talking about the Ring rankings. Just admit it, you are wrong. Pac can take over even if PBF wins in a borefest.

You're boring me now. Just declaring you have won an argument doesn't mean anything PacDbest.

This thread stemmed from that, but in case you haven't noticed, the posters in this thread have been giving personal opinions on their own thoughts and rankings.

This is why I call you arrogant. Anyone who has a different opinion than you gets called names and a hater. And you claim false victory because you toss out logic that isn't logical to begin with.

Again, if you truly feel that you "destroy me" and all these other declarations, the debate option is still open. Claiming personal victory because you said so isn't victory at all, but you trying to convince yourself. Notice I never say I beat you in an argument. I let others point that out.