Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran

janitor · 09-13-2009, 03:21 PM

This is one of the big fights of the era that just never happened.

You could probably put them both in the ring together fairly close to their primes.

Who wins?

Flea Man · 09-13-2009, 03:30 PM

I think Loughran would outbox Schmeling. Schmeling was undoubtedly strong but Loughran (from what I've seen) had superior ring smarts and faster feet. No doubt the power belonged to Max, but I think Loughran probably had as good a chin as Joe Louis and was more canny when under pressure (again, from what I've seen)

Loughran decision over 15.

Duodenum · 09-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Max is not going to counterpunch Tommy to a decision win, and he wasn't aggressive or fast enough to suddenly charge Loughran with the sort of explosive and unset bolt of lightning which Sharkey abruptly clobbered him with. It's going to be a chess match Schmeling where can't prevail, and I'd put money on it.

Raging B(_)LL · 09-13-2009, 03:51 PM

I`d favour Max to be honest, and wouldn`t be surprised if he did by KO either. Tommy got dropped by right hands he didn`t see coming courtesy of Jack Sharkey and Leo Lomski, and Max was a more compact puncher than either man. He was also much more accurate with his right hand not to mention he threw one of the best sneak right crosses I`ve seen.... he would lull you to sleep with that pawing almost lazy jab he so often threw and then BAM one of those right hands would come thru sudenly full throttle and crash on his opponents chin.

I think Tommy would likely win the early rounds by boxing smartly behind his jab and using his footwork to keep his distance from Max, but as the fight gets into the middle rounds I see Schmelling closing the gap and finding the range with his right hand more and more with one of them eventually getting thru Tommys guard and sending him to the mat heavily.

He would probably beat the count and survive the round but after that I think the tide will have turned in Max` favour for good and he would keep pressing the fight and doing the better work until the finish for a unanimous decision win, maybe even dropping Tommy again at some point to really seal the deal.

Flea Man · 09-13-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raging B(_)LL

I`d favour Max to be honest, and wouldn`t be surprised if he did by KO either. Tommy got dropped by right hands he didn`t see coming courtesy of Jack Sharkey and Leo Lomski, and Max was a more compact puncher than either man. He was also much more accurate with his right hand not to mention he threw one of the best sneak right crosses I`ve seen.... he would lull you to sleep with that pawing almost lazy jab he so often threw and then BAM one of those right hands would come thru sudenly full throttle and crash on his opponents chin.

I think Tommy would likely win the early rounds by boxing smartly behind his jab and using his footwork to keep his distance from Max, but as the fight gets into the middle rounds I see Schmelling closing the gap and finding the range with his right hand more and more with one of them eventually getting thru Tommys guard and sending him to the mat heavily.

He would probably beat the count and survive the round but after that I think the tide will have turned in Max` favour for good and he would keep pressing the fight and doing the better work until the finish for a unanimous decision win, maybe even dropping Tommy again at some point to really seal the deal.

That is a seriously good point and a scenario that now seems entirely feasible.

red cobra · 09-13-2009, 04:58 PM

Loughran by a decision, though it would be tougher than both his fights with Baer and Braddock. It would be won on the basis of Loughrans great mobility, and as it has been noted already, Max's lack of aggresion and over depending on counterpunch opportunities for his right. He would have shook up Tommy, and would have roughed him up at times, and like I say it would have been fairly close, but Tommy would have won on the cards, whether it was 12 or 15.

red cobra · 09-13-2009, 04:59 PM

Tommy's accurate jab would have been his key to victory, and he would have made damned sure that he didn't drop the right when jabbing.

red cobra · 09-13-2009, 05:02 PM

Raging Bull's call could have been a real possibility, as Schmeling was an accurate counterpuncher with the right, and to compare him with Max Baer, his right was pulled somewhat power-wise to allow for more accuracy than the bomblike right that Baer wielded.

janitor · 09-13-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Tommy's accurate jab would have been his key to victory, and he would have made damned sure that he didn't drop the right when jabbing.

The jab is the last tool you ever want to rely on against Schmeling.

Even if you didnt drop the right he would just push it aside and counter you.

Schmeling's whole style is based on picking apart technicaly orthodox boxers and particularly those who lead with the jab.

TheGreatA · 09-13-2009, 05:32 PM

From what I've seen of Schmeling, he was actually quite aggressive during the early part of his career until settling more into a right hand counter puncher.

Here are some notable fights of his to watch:

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=taJU28gjEiw[/URL]

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsv25ulaSY[/URL]

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpARrgnPQQ[/URL]

janitor · 09-13-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatA

From what I've seen of Schmeling, he was actually quite aggressive during the early part of his career until settling more into a right hand counter puncher.

Here are some notable fights of his to watch:

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=taJU28gjEiw[/URL]

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsv25ulaSY[/URL]

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpARrgnPQQ[/URL]

To be fair though you can understand why he might be more agressive against Stribling or Walker than against Louis.

TheGreatA · 09-13-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

To be fair though you can understand why he might be more agressive against Stribling or Walker than against Louis.

Agreed but I've noticed it in other fights of his, for example the Jack Sharkey bouts. The aggressive style Schmeling used only made it easier for Sharkey to fight him.

[url]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=162Qk7ARqNY[/url]

janitor · 09-13-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatA

Agreed but I've noticed it in other fights of his, for example the Jack Sharkey bouts. The aggressive style Schmeling used only made it easier for Sharkey to fight him.

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=162Qk7ARqNY[/URL]

I sspectthat Max Schmeling learned more in this fight than any other.

His subsequent fights were esentialy re-runs of this fight with the mistakes corrected.

efrenpete · 11-04-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatA

Agreed but I've noticed it in other fights of his, for example the Jack Sharkey bouts. The aggressive style Schmeling used only made it easier for Sharkey to fight him.

[URL]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=162Qk7ARqNY[/URL]

This was Sharkey when he was in the right mood, and as such, was a far more talented fighter than the pedantic Schmeling.

bodhi · 11-05-2012, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by janitor

The jab is the last tool you ever want to rely on against Schmeling.

Even if you didnt drop the right he would just push it aside and counter you.

Schmeling's whole style is based on picking apart technicaly orthodox boxers and particularly those who lead with the jab.

Exactly, I can´t see a fighter relying as heavily on a jab as Loughran and with no power to back it up beating Max. Loughran may win rounds but he he won´t win the fight.

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Originally Posted by janitor

To be fair though you can understand why he might be more agressive against Stribling or Walker than against Louis.

Both smaller than him, I think we would see a similar approach against Loughran.

09-13-2009, 03:21 PM	#1
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,141 vCash: 1000	Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran This is one of the big fights of the era that just never happened. You could probably put them both in the ring together fairly close to their primes. Who wins?
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09-13-2009, 03:30 PM	#2
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 39,822 vCash: 75	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran I think Loughran would outbox Schmeling. Schmeling was undoubtedly strong but Loughran (from what I've seen) had superior ring smarts and faster feet. No doubt the power belonged to Max, but I think Loughran probably had as good a chin as Joe Louis and was more canny when under pressure (again, from what I've seen) Loughran decision over 15.
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09-13-2009, 03:31 PM	#3
Duodenum Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,794 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran Max is not going to counterpunch Tommy to a decision win, and he wasn't aggressive or fast enough to suddenly charge Loughran with the sort of explosive and unset bolt of lightning which Sharkey abruptly clobbered him with. It's going to be a chess match Schmeling where can't prevail, and I'd put money on it.
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09-13-2009, 03:51 PM	#4
Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "To win without risk is to triumph without glory" Posts: 1,329 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran I`d favour Max to be honest, and wouldn`t be surprised if he did by KO either. Tommy got dropped by right hands he didn`t see coming courtesy of Jack Sharkey and Leo Lomski, and Max was a more compact puncher than either man. He was also much more accurate with his right hand not to mention he threw one of the best sneak right crosses I`ve seen.... he would lull you to sleep with that pawing almost lazy jab he so often threw and then BAM one of those right hands would come thru sudenly full throttle and crash on his opponents chin. I think Tommy would likely win the early rounds by boxing smartly behind his jab and using his footwork to keep his distance from Max, but as the fight gets into the middle rounds I see Schmelling closing the gap and finding the range with his right hand more and more with one of them eventually getting thru Tommys guard and sending him to the mat heavily. He would probably beat the count and survive the round but after that I think the tide will have turned in Max` favour for good and he would keep pressing the fight and doing the better work until the finish for a unanimous decision win, maybe even dropping Tommy again at some point to really seal the deal.
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09-13-2009, 04:58 PM	#6
red cobra Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 12,952 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran Loughran by a decision, though it would be tougher than both his fights with Baer and Braddock. It would be won on the basis of Loughrans great mobility, and as it has been noted already, Max's lack of aggresion and over depending on counterpunch opportunities for his right. He would have shook up Tommy, and would have roughed him up at times, and like I say it would have been fairly close, but Tommy would have won on the cards, whether it was 12 or 15.
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09-13-2009, 04:59 PM	#7
red cobra Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 12,952 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran Tommy's accurate jab would have been his key to victory, and he would have made damned sure that he didn't drop the right when jabbing.
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09-13-2009, 05:02 PM	#8
red cobra Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 12,952 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran Raging Bull's call could have been a real possibility, as Schmeling was an accurate counterpuncher with the right, and to compare him with Max Baer, his right was pulled somewhat power-wise to allow for more accuracy than the bomblike right that Baer wielded.
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09-13-2009, 05:32 PM	#10
TheGreatA Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,099 vCash: 1000	Re: Max Schmeling vs Tommy Loughran From what I've seen of Schmeling, he was actually quite aggressive during the early part of his career until settling more into a right hand counter puncher. Here are some notable fights of his to watch: [URL]*********.youtube.com/watch?v=taJU28gjEiw[/URL] [URL]*******.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsv25ulaSY[/URL] [URL]*********.youtube.com/watch?v=DUpARrgnPQQ[/URL]
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