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View Poll Results: Who would win? Jake Lamotta or Joe Calzaghe?
Jake Lamotta would win 18 47.37%
Joe Calzaghe would win 20 52.63%
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:04 AM   #1
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Default Jake Lamotta Vs. Joe Calzaghe

I've been talking with certain Joe Calzaghe fan (some of you might have already encountered this character...). And I came to a disagreement. I think Jake Lamotta would embarass Joe Calzaghe. There is a height difference of 5'8" (Lamotta) to 5'11" (Calzaghe). I still think that isn't enough. Lamotta's chin would be able to get right through any punch Joe has to offer. Then Jake would be money shots abound in pulverizing Joe's lower body and capping those body shot combos with cranial crunching hooks. The only way Joe could possibly win is if he stacks the cards in his favor as per what Leonard did to Hagler in their encounter.

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Old 09-17-2007, 11:05 AM   #2
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:07 AM   #3
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Oh dear.
Oh dear indeed. I felt inclined to do this, and I hope something interesting comes of it. I pray it doesn't devolve into silly name calling.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:09 AM   #4
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Tell you what else. It would be a close one. Points, too, no knock out here (probably).
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:19 AM   #5
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CzarKyle, do you mind if I publish the PMs so far mate -questionmark-
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:22 AM   #6
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CzarKyle, do you mind if I publish the PMs so far mate -questionmark-
Go ahead, I was just attempting to pick your brain to see what you see. I have no problem what so ever.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #7
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I'm not saying Calzaghe would Lacy LaMotta, but he'd do a number on him.

Jake's offensive would be somewhat nullified against Calzaghe. Calzaghe can be beaten by counter-right hands (not really Jake's style). Calzaghe would just pick Jake off from the distance with his world class jab, occasionally moving in, slapping him a few times and then tying him up.


Anyways...aside from Lamotta's size being the only true disadvantage Lamotta's chin would walk right through the jab and the slaps and go straight for the body. It would probably be a good fight that wouldn't last more than six rounds (assuming Joe tried to trade or allow Jake within range), but I cannot fathom Calzaghe winning under any circumstance other than cuts or a decision (which even brings into account can Joe last 15 rounds? I doubt it since he's used to understanding that after 12 there is no fight). Only if Joe was able to stay away from Lamotta's smothering bully style he would be able to produce any headway.


Calzaghe would happily win on points. And yes Joe Calzaghe could last 15 rounds I'm sure. He has one of the highest work rates in the sport, Jeff Lacy ended up waiting the entire fight for Calzaghe's pace to slow, it never happened.


There is also nothing to suggest Calzaghe is anymore likely to be stopped than LaMotta here.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:45 AM   #8
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All kinds of things were overlooked. Personally I believe LaMotta to be a particularly bad name to pick against Calzaghe, not that there is a good name.

Calzaghe has more advantages than just size/height. Calzaghe is faster, in my opinion more elusive too. One big problem is, how is LaMotta going to work his way in? With a jab? I find that unlikely, given Calzaghe's southpaw stance, with the right hand up. The man has never been troubled by jabs throughout his career.

Right hands trouble Calzaghe, and I don't see LaMotta's right being as good as Eubanks' or Reids. My eyesight tells me Jake's is slower, though the aggressiveness is there, so he might land a few. I have no reason to believe either man is being stopped, unless it is by accumulation.

Joe Calzaghe is also better looking. This might make Jake jealous and cause him to lose his cool. Which definitely wouldn't be a good thing for Jake.

The other factor is the way Calzaghe has looked against pressuring fighters in the past, especially those smaller than he is. He generally picks them off no problem at range and moves in to land a high volume of punches once he opens then up a little. Joe almost certainly puts LaMotta onto the back foot for spurts, similar to how Robinson managed it in bursts.


LaMotta on the other hand? I don't see how he will remain close enough to the fleet footed Calzaghe to land these bodyshots. He can't really outbox Joe and pressure isn't going to work either.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:49 AM   #9
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Joe Calzaghe is also better looking. This might make Jake jealous and cause him to lose his cool.




Impossible to make a proper pick here in my opinion.

I agree with you that a stoppage is highly unlikely.


I'm not voting. Flip a coin.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:59 AM   #10
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I'm trying to remember how this poll worked out last time.

Ended up quite favorable for Calzaghe in the end I think.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:02 PM   #11
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I'm trying to remember how this poll worked out last time.

Ended up quite favorable for Calzaghe in the end I think.

Now I have to vote for Jake.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:03 PM   #12
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Were you one of the ones who helped it off to a shakey start last time?
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:04 PM   #13
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Don't remember old chap.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:08 PM   #14
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I think you actually meant to vote for Calzaghe here, when you consider your own biases.

You are a 'Pep-pert sympathiser 'and a fearer of China_hand_Joe's boxing expertise. When you say 50/50, it surely means Calzaghe?

It is like me when I say Calzaghe vs Wlad is 50/50, it is clear that 50/50 really means I know deep-down Wlad wins.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:12 PM   #15
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its joe for me, he does'nt get the recognition he deserves
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