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Old 09-15-2007, 01:13 PM   #1
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I admit to being no expert myself so I'll start the questions going, I guess. I did a quick scan of the first few pages of the Classics Forum and could find nothing of oft-forgotten heavyweight king Ingemar Johansson. Only a handful of threads, in fact, exist in the whole forum, upon a cursory use of the search function, most of them pitting him against other old-time fighters similarly indistinguishable to the modern fan. I think it is due time we opened a discussion on this subject.

How many of his fights were filmed in their entirety? I've only seen four of them.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:29 PM   #2
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Why would you want to watch that bum when there are tons of perfectly good larry homles fights available.

he was not a bum ......
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Old 09-15-2007, 05:41 PM   #3
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Johansson was a special fighter with a very short prime.

The fact that he blasted a very cagy, durable Eddie Machen out of there in one round whereas Sonny Liston couldn't even hurt him in 12 rounds is very impressive, no matter how you look at it. He'd clean the European picture, then destroyed a top contender and then destroyed the champion, Patterson.

He came close to winning the third match, but didn't. He was somewhat limited, but that right hand was dangerous as hell. I also read he liked partying a bit too much, which explains his short peak.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:20 PM   #4
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How many of his fights were filmed in their entirety? I've only seen four of them.
You can see Ingo vs Patterson, Hoff, and Machen in full fights. I think Ingo's match with Erskine is out there. Also his match with London where Ingo wins flat on his back and saved by the bell in the final round.
Ingo also has a sparring session filmed with Ali. I always wanted to see his match with Henry Cooper.

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Old 09-15-2007, 06:52 PM   #5
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Why would you want to watch that bum when there are tons of perfectly good larry homles fights available.

Are you hugging holmes jockstrap then or something?,maybe you dont understand these forums,but this aint about holmes,if you think inggo was a bum,that explains to me all i need to know about your you and what you know about boxing.
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:46 AM   #6
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Mendoza you are talking nonsence!!!
Ingo was knock down by London, raised during the count, and then the bell rang. He was not winning flat on his back.(i got it on tape).
The Cooper fight was actually filmed, but the cameraman got so bored that he turned his camera to some celebrities at ringside, and missed the knock out blow!!! (I have a short clip of that too.)
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:53 AM   #7
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You can see Ingo vs Patterson, Hoff, and Machen in full fights. I think Ingo's match with Erskine is out there. Also his match with London where Ingo wins flat on his back and saved by the bell in the final round.
Ingo also has a sparring session filmed with Ali. I always wanted to see his match with Henry Cooper.
Thanks for the informative response. I watched his match with Hoff only a few minutes ago. I did not even know that one existed.

What about his fights with Erskine, London, and Cooper? Were those filmed as well?
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Old 09-16-2007, 04:56 AM   #8
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Mendoza you are talking nonsence!!!
Ingo was knock down by London, raised during the count, and then the bell rang. He was not winning flat on his back.(i got it on tape).
The Cooper fight was actually filmed, but the cameraman got so bored that he turned his camera to some celebrities at ringside, and missed the knock out blow!!! (I have a short clip of that too.)
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It has been said that he got up at the referee's count of four, but I've never seen the fight myself.
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Mendoza you are talking nonsence!!!
Ingo was knock down by London, raised during the count, and then the bell rang. He was not winning flat on his back.(i got it on tape).
The Cooper fight was actually filmed, but the cameraman got so bored that he turned his camera to some celebrities at ringside, and missed the knock out blow!!! (I have a short clip of that too.)
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Woller,

This is possible. Perhaps the clip I have seen did not show Ingo getting up. Sometimes people or TV networks edit things out of fights. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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Old 09-16-2007, 10:37 AM   #10
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I believe this is one of the great urban myths that have permeated boxing through the ages, that Johannson was flat on his back unconscious and awarded the decision because of the final bell. A bit of research on this uncovers that Johannson did rise during the count and the remainder of the count (possibly the mandatory was cut short by the final bell. However, info states that "Johannson staggered to his feet, his eyes glassy and arms dangling at his side." What fuels this myth is that headlines abounded "Ingo gets saved by the bell" and the fact that the sole arbiter, Referee Andrew Smythe stated that he probably would have stopped the fight and awarded it to Brian London if the bell hadn't rung. So one can see how this came about.

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Old 09-16-2007, 06:22 PM   #11
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Ingo used another version of the "Hammer of Thor" on his traveling companion Swedish girlfriend Birgit during training for the 2nd Patterson fight and was never the same thereafter.
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Old 09-16-2007, 06:26 PM   #12
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You can see Ingo vs Patterson, Hoff, and Machen in full fights. I think Ingo's match with Erskine is out there. Also his match with London where Ingo wins flat on his back and saved by the bell in the final round.
Ingo also has a sparring session filmed with Ali. I always wanted to see his match with Henry Cooper.
I have seen the Erskine fight. It is definitely out there.
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Old 09-16-2007, 09:27 PM   #13
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Also his match with London where Ingo wins flat on his back and saved by the bell in the final round.
WRONG. Johansson was knocked on the seat of his pants and was up at 4 as the bell rang. Him being flat on his back and saved by the bell is a pervasive myth.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:39 AM   #14
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I also got Ingemar vs Bygraves 2nd, Franco Cavicchi, Dick Richardson and Joe Erskine, but only highlight editions.
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Old 09-17-2007, 01:42 AM   #15
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I also got Ingemar vs Bygraves 2nd, Franco Cavicchi, Dick Richardson and Joe Erskine, but only highlight editions.
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Interesting. I didnīt know someone who has the Cavicchi and the Richardson- fights... Who was the Cavicchi- fight for example?
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