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Old 09-19-2009, 09:38 PM   #91
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Why would that prove Holy was "less shot" than Tyson? Why wouldn't it just reaffirm that he was a better fighter to begin with? That's if you even think it has to prove anything at all.
It doesn't,mate.It's not that simple.

Just because a washed up former champion in Schmeling defeated a young Joe Louis,it doesn't necessarily follow that the German would always have the Brown Bomber's number.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:38 PM   #92
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No Tyson at his best would beat Holyfield at his best.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:39 PM   #93
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All these people now claiming Tyson had less left than Holy - Where on earth were they before the fight?? Where were they when Holy was being dismissed as "shot" and a set-up for Tyson, and Tyson entered the ring as at least a 6-1 favorite? How much money did they all make by betting on Holyfield?
It doesnt matter what the preconception was before. Its what happened after that proved it.
Holyfield was supposedly shot but the big suprise was that it was Tyson that was the one that was shot.
Let me ask you would the late 80's version of Tyson struggle with the likes of Mathis and Frans Botha?
Its clear you dislike Tyson and thats fine, but trying to make him seem like the same pre prison Tyson is like saying the Holyfield that fought Chris Byrd and James Toney was the same old Holyfield.
It works both ways really, the people that hate Tyson are as delusional as the people that worship him.
Doesnt matter about age either and who was closer to their best, all fighters are different, Inactivity, poor conditioning, etc are all factors in a fighters ability to maintain their prime. Holyfield's decline was muddled with inconsistency, whereas fighers like Riddick Bowe and Mike Tyson fell off a cliff.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:45 PM   #94
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Just because a washed up former champion in Schmeling defeated a young Joe Louis,it doesn't necessarily follow that the German would always have the Brown Bomber's number.
It would've if he had won their rematch, as Holy did with Tyson.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:45 PM   #95
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Why would that prove Holy was "less shot" than Tyson? Why wouldn't it just reaffirm that he was a better fighter to begin with? That's if you even think it has to prove anything at all.
Because he fought two tough fights with Ruddock before he went to prison, one which went 12 rounds. He was also not inactive for three years.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:52 PM   #96
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It would've if he had won their rematch, as Holy did with Tyson.
Oh? So Lewis would always have Holyfield's number?

BTW it seems to be Schmeling would more times than not have proved a tough opponent for Joe
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:06 PM   #97
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:07 PM   #98
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If Evander fought Mike ten times he would beat him ten times.Tyson was made for Holy.Evander handled him as an amateur in training camp and mikes style was made for Holy....kenny weldon
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Thats a tough question because there was a huge difference between the Tyson that would have fought him in the early 90's and the fighter that Holy did fight in 96. Not only was Tyson off for 3 years, and Holy was active, but he had not been prepared physically to fight a long tough fight. His timing was horrible, he didnt punch in combination, and had fought a combined 7 rounds of boxing with basically no real solid trainer in his corner. From his first fight with McNeeley to the fight with Bruno he was technically a mess.
That being said Holyfield was a great fighter and he would have always made it an interesting fight, but I dont think he could have ever beaten the best Tyson. When they were supposed to fight, Holyfield was smaller, more of a slugger, and Tyson was defensively and physically stronger overall.
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Oh? So Lewis would always have Holyfield's number?
IMO, yes.

Those people who scored their rematch closer than I did might disagree, however.
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:10 PM   #100
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It would've if he had won their rematch, as Holy did with Tyson.
Great logic, if Barrera and Khan had a rematch youd think Khan had barreras number then?
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:13 PM   #101
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IMO, yes.

Those people who scored their rematch closer than I did might disagree, however.
Hmmm.... how can we extrapolate that Lewis would have beaten soundly a prime Holyfield, based on his winning performances against-in your words-the 'shot' version?


Let me guess: Lewis himself was shot when he fought Holyfield?
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:24 PM   #102
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Hmmm.... how can we extrapolate that Lewis would have beaten soundly a prime Holyfield, based on his winning performances against-in your words-the 'shot' version?
Huh? Who said anything about what it was "extrapolated" from?
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:27 PM   #103
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Great logic, if Barrera and Khan had a rematch youd think Khan had barreras number then?
I don't see how that compares to anything here, but as a matter of fact I do think Khan would probably beat any Barrera that's fought at 135.

Gee, judging what's actually proven in the ring... What a novel idea.....

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Old 09-19-2009, 10:32 PM   #104
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Huh? Who said anything about what it was "extrapolated" from?
I referred to the fact that Lewis defeated Holyfield twice.I then asked you whether it meant that Lewis would always have Holyfield's number.
You said yes.

What am I supposed to think here?
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:39 PM   #105
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I referred to the fact that Lewis defeated Holyfield twice.
No you didn't.

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I then asked you whether it meant that Lewis would always have Holyfield's number.
No, you just asked me if I thought Lewis would always have his number, not what I based that opinion on.
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