Julio Cesar Chavez's most creditable win? - Page 2

red cobra · 09-19-2009, 06:05 PM

Camacho shouldn't have been dominated like that even still...at thet stage of his career. It redeemed him, IMO, from the turn tail and run style and lack of valor that became his trademark after Rosario. He showed he could stand and take a beating like a man...which he did. That in no way besmirches any victim of Chavez who was ko'ed, but it did redeem Camacho personallly, to me.

duranimal · 09-19-2009, 06:46 PM

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Chavez's destuction of Rosario is indeed brilliant. Rosario was an outstanding lightweight. They could have fought that fight in a phone booth. To see a fighter as outstanding as Rosario fighting for his life against Chavez cemented Chavez's greatness for me.

His come from behind victory of Taylor was another greatest hit. Chavez methodically broke Taylor down with potentially tragic consequences (some say the consequences were tragic).

Seeing Chavez totally dominate a fighter as talented as Camacho also has to be included in the list of greatest victories.

Chavez's record was not built on fluff. He cleaned out divisions. He was one of the greatest fighters I have ever seen.

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My2Sense · 09-19-2009, 07:45 PM

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So my question is; what would Classic Forum consider to be Chavez's "signature win" - where he clearly and unambiguously proved himself the better man against a high quality opponent?

Almost certainly Rosario.

He wasn't necessarily the best guy Chavez beat (at the very least, Taylor and Ramirez were better), but he was probably the best guy that he completely dominated.

IntentionalButt · 09-20-2009, 02:53 AM

I'm wondering, since this seems to have been narrowed down a bit, if I should add a poll?

It'll likely be fairly heavy in Rosario's favor from the sound of it.

The Wanderer · 09-20-2009, 03:34 AM

The Rosario win was without a doubt the high point of Chavez' career. Rosario was a very good fighter with good boxer-puncher technique, although he made the mistake of falling in love with his power, (which, to be fair, was pretty devastating) and Chavez came into the ring and just mauled him. A fight that was supposed to be a tossup got turned into a one-sided beatdown and the most triumphant moment of JC's career.

Aside from that I think the second win against Mayweather is probably Chavez' most underrated win because Mayweather came into the ring with all the tools and the right gameplan to frustrate and counter Chavez, but Chavez nullified it all by refusing to give Mayweather the chance to use his dynamite straight right as a counterpunch and slowly, patiently wearing Mayweather down until Roger finally had enough.

The Lockridge fight is also worth noting because it also demonstrated the versatility of Chavez. When Chavez realized how tough Lockridge was on the inside Chavez switched up, turned boxer, and started sharpshooting Lockridge with jabs, straight rights, and uppercuts that repeatedly caught Lockridge coming in.

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Two rounds into Chavez-Rosario. Wow. This is a shockingly good defensive effort by J.C.

I try to tell people this all the time, but only a precious few get it: Chavez was very good at slipping punches, whether we're talking about a little weaving while he was coming in or moving his head just enough to get out of the way of a blow or have it deflect off his shoulders instead. Hell, I've seen some of the times where Chavez was fighting cans and after he would get bored of beating them up he'd invite the other guy to just throw at him and dodge everything the guy did. For example check out this bit from one of Chavez' later fights (this takes place sometime after the "draw" to Whitaker and the loss to Frankie Randall) between about 3:57-4:11:

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ripcity · 09-20-2009, 04:07 AM

Rosaro

My2Sense · 09-20-2009, 04:31 AM

Hey, I didn't know you could add a poll after a thread was already started.

IntentionalButt · 09-20-2009, 04:38 AM

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Hey, I didn't know you could add a poll after a thread was already started.

Go to the first post of any thread you've started, option's right there in the upper-right under "Thread Tools".

PunchOut · 09-20-2009, 04:51 AM

The Clinic of the inside fight that Chavez put on Rosario, was the most impressive performance by a boxer that i ever saw

redrooster · 09-20-2009, 02:27 PM

how about none of the above.

JudgeDredd · 09-20-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by redrooster

how about none of the above.

Who do you say then?

KOTF · 09-20-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by redrooster

how about none of the above.

Well he certainly must've had some credible wins if Terry Norris wanted to get a fight with him

redrooster · 09-20-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JudgeDredd

Who do you say then?

hard to say. Out of the choices given, Rosario

IntentionalButt · 09-20-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by redrooster

hard to say. Out of the choices given, Rosario

Who that isn't among the choices given?

My2Sense · 09-20-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KOTF

Well he certainly must've had some credible wins if Terry Norris wanted to get a fight with him

View Poll Results: Most creditable win (taking quality of opposition and dominance into account)
Rosario	17	85.00%
Camacho	2	10.00%
Taylor I	1	5.00%
Taylor II	0	0%
Haugen	0	0%
Ramirez	0	0%
Mayweather I	0	0%
Mayweather II	0	0%
Lockridge	0	0%
Martinez	0	0%
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

09-19-2009, 06:05 PM	#16
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