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Old 09-16-2007, 08:14 PM   #16
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I understand point, but if Tyson was properly trained he should have no problem beating both Iggy and Maskaev.
Properly prepared I would make him a heavy favourite over both, yes.

If he is stupid about it, Maskaev especially has the tools to cause him problems.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:16 PM   #17
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Deep. I feel refuted.
Read my original post on how almost everyone hated on Lewis before he retired and now they sing his praises. History will judge this division better than you or I will - nuff said.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:17 PM   #18
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Read my original post on how almost everyone hated on Lewis before he retired and now they sing his praises. History will judge this division better than you or I will - nuff said.
I'll pass on the re-read if that's ok.

I don't know quite what your understanding of history is, mine would be that it's happening now.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:21 PM   #19
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I'll pass on the re-read if that's ok.

I don't know quite what your understanding of history is, mine would be that it's happening now.
No need for you to read any of my posts then asshole
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:21 PM   #20
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The HW division now is a joke. In the 90s we had Lewis, Tyson, Holy and Bowe.
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Bowe = Golota's bitch. (too bad golota was mentally unstable).
Who is golota? a reject and never was compared to a prospect such as Povetkin.

Just imagine , if a guy like golota can pull this shit against Bowe...imagine what a prime prospect would do to his sorry ass.

Lewis? Only had to fight 2 euro fighters in his career...
1rst one was Mavrovic (a guy he was never able to ko or hurt btw).

2nd and last one was Vitali. (in a fight he should've lost...but ended up winning because of a huge cut on vitali's face. but there's no denying that vitali was winning on points and better yet the guy could also take lennox's best punches...)...

Ever seen Lennox Lewis ' amateur record?
almost all his losses are against eastern euros. coincidence?

Today's era is not worse than the 90's...only difference is that now people are bitching a bit more cause americans are out of the picture.

it sure is different from ali's era too , in which eastern euros used to get banned from participating in the first place.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:26 PM   #21
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In other words
Bowe = Golota's bitch. (too bad golota was mentally unstable).
Who is golota? a reject and never was compared to a prospect such as Povetkin.

Just imagine , if a guy like golota can pull this shit against Bowe...imagine what a prime prospect would do to his sorry ass.

Lewis? Only had to fight 2 euro fighters in his career...
1rst one was Mavrovic (a guy he was never able to ko or hurt btw).

2nd and last one was Vitali. (in a fight he should've lost...but ended up winning because of a huge cut on vitali's face. but there's no denying that vitali was winning on points and better yet the guy could also take lennox's best punches...)...

Ever seen Lennox Lewis ' amateur record?
almost all his losses are against eastern euros. coincidence?

Today's era is not worse than the 90's...only difference is that now people are bitching a bit more cause americans are out of the picture.

it sure is different from ali's era too , in which eastern euros used to get banned from participating in the first place.
Im guessing you were either born or live in a European country.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:27 PM   #22
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Your telling me a 90s Tyson wouldnt beat Iggy or Maskaev, these guys would be another warm up fight before he thought Holyfield.
The Tyson from the early 90's would, the Tyson from the mid to late part of the decade maybe.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:27 PM   #23
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In other words
Bowe = Golota's bitch. (too bad golota was mentally unstable).
Who is golota? a reject and never was compared to a prospect such as Povetkin.

Just imagine , if a guy like golota can pull this shit against Bowe...imagine what a prime prospect would do to his sorry ass.

Lewis? Only had to fight 2 euro fighters in his career...
1rst one was Mavrovic (a guy he was never able to ko or hurt btw).

2nd and last one was Vitali. (in a fight he should've lost...but ended up winning because of a huge cut on vitali's face. but there's no denying that vitali was winning on points and better yet the guy could also take lennox's best punches...)...

Ever seen Lennox Lewis ' amateur record?
almost all his losses are against eastern euros. coincidence?

Today's era is not worse than the 90's...only difference is that now people are bitching a bit more cause americans are out of the picture.

it sure is different from ali's era too , in which eastern euros used to get banned from participating in the first place.
Some fair points there but a bit too extreme IMO. The fact is many boxing fans are turned off by the fact they can't call one guy champion anymore. That combined with the lack of decent American HW's tends to leave the American fans without a hero
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:29 PM   #24
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Im guessing you were either born or live in a European country.
...........and why should that matter? My guess is you aren't European and neither were your ancestors so you have a hard time indentifing with any of the current beltholders. Did I touch a nerve?
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:37 PM   #25
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...........and why should that matter? My guess is you aren't European and neither were your ancestors so you have a hard time indentifing with any of the current beltholders. Did I touch a nerve?
No, if you read his post its very pro European. Actually I would be happy to see Peter on top and you know that, I dont judge a fighter by where hes from. I judge the fighters I like by how they fight in the ring, I dislike Wlad because hes a cry baby who gets knocked down too much.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:42 PM   #26
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The Heavywieght division was at one time respected but now it seems to be more of a joke among the boxing experts. Is it the fact that the title changes hands so much anymore or is it that theres no premier american heavywieghts to cheer for. What made the 90s so much more exciting than now?
Better fighters, better personalities.

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Old 09-16-2007, 08:46 PM   #27
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Then Lewis did his part to split the belts by taking step aside money from Don King so he wouldn't have to fight Byrd if I'm not mistaken.


Yeah, Lewis ducked Byrd, obviously
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:51 PM   #28
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I think that I would list the something like: Bruno, Maskaev (we'll know more about him pretty soon, but I think he's underated), Iggy, Botha. But it's close. My point was more; the 90's version of Tyson would need to prepare properly for these guys or he could get found out. Treating them as warm ups wouldn't be wise.
If Bruno were active right now he'd probably be undisputed, that's how shit the division is right now.

No way would any of the current belt-holders be able to take Bruno's arsenal, no way in hell.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:52 PM   #29
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Yeah, Lewis ducked Byrd, obviously
To a certain extent, he did. I don't believe Byrd would have beaten him, and I certainly don't believe he was afraid of Byrd, but he did avoid a fight with him, and deserved to be stripped of his title as such.

Byrd earned his shot after beating Mo Harris and David Tua in an eliminator tournament.
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Old 09-16-2007, 08:54 PM   #30
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FW,your an idiot! plain and simple
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