Carnera and Vitali compared

cross_trainer · 09-20-2009, 03:13 PM

I've seen a lot of comparisons drawn between Carnera's boxing ability and Vitali Klitschko's. At times, the claim is made that Carnera was as good technically as "modern" superheavyweights, or better.

I challenge all and sundry to prove this claim with footage. Lots of Carnera's fights are up on Youtube, as are Klitschko's. Post the fights and point to specific examples (including the time) where Carnera displays better boxing ability.

Convince me. I'm very gullible--I promise.

janitor · 09-20-2009, 03:22 PM

I already attempted to do this in another thread.

I posted Klitschko Peter and then posted Sharkey Carnera II for comparison.

What the footage suggested was that Carnera employed verry similar tactics to Klitschko and might have been a little more versatile in some aspects.

What also came across was not the difference between Klitscko and Carnera but the difference between Sam Peter and Jack Sharkey. I submit that Carnera would have overcome the version of Sam Peter that Vitally fought verry convincingly and that that Vitally would have had a more competitive fight with the version of Jack Sharkey that Carnera beat than he did with Peter.

janitor · 09-20-2009, 03:32 PM

It might be worth saying something about Carnera's technical development.

Carnera found his own Manny Steward in Abe Attel who taught him to use his physical advantages to greater effect.

Just as there is a pre Steward Lewis and a post Steward Lewis so there is a pre and post Attel Carnera.

GPater11093 · 09-20-2009, 04:22 PM

i have always said Carnera is very similar to Klitschko

Jess Willard is also of this ilk

TheGreatA · 09-20-2009, 04:45 PM

I'd compare Carnera to Wladimir and Willard to Vitali.

TheGreatA · 09-20-2009, 04:46 PM

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GPater11093 · 09-20-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatA

I'd compare Carnera to Wladimir and Willard to Vitali.

i would have it the opposite

TheGreatA · 09-20-2009, 05:00 PM

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i would have it the opposite

Any particular reasons for you'd have it the opposite?

Some footage of Carnera, Vitali and Wladimir:

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09-20-2009, 06:07 PM

Comparing Vitali to Carnera either indicates severe brain damage or high provocation potential.

ChrisPontius · 09-20-2009, 06:36 PM

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Rahman really got annihilated trying to do the rope a dope there. Wladimir is way too calculated to fall for something like that.

cross_trainer · 09-20-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KTFO

Comparing Vitali to Carnera either indicates severe brain damage or high provocation potential.

Since I'm well-known on these forums for my aggressive trolling and obvious mental disabilities, you may have a point there.

MRBILL · 09-20-2009, 08:37 PM

The size is comparable and that's were it ends, too............ Carnera was a typical "Baby Huey" as a boxer, while Vitali Klit is an ATG heavyweight fighter.................

MR.BILL

djanders · 09-20-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by janitor

I already attempted to do this in another thread.

I posted Klitschko Peter and then posted Sharkey Carnera II for comparison.

What the footage suggested was that Carnera employed verry similar tactics to Klitschko and might have been a little more versatile in some aspects.

What also came across was not the difference between Klitscko and Carnera but the difference between Sam Peter and Jack Sharkey. I submit that Carnera would have overcome the version of Sam Peter that Vitally fought verry convincingly and that that Vitally would have had a more competitive fight with the version of Jack Sharkey that Carnera beat than he did with Peter.

Yes. I saw that thread...and I have seen Carnera fight. In a time machine, Primo Carnera vs Vitali Klitschko would be a very hard fight to predict accurately. If I had to bet, I would bet on Primo.

cross_trainer · 09-20-2009, 08:58 PM

Janitor, would you be able to copy and paste your previous analysis, by any chance? I'm very interested to read it.

MRBILL · 09-20-2009, 09:12 PM

Carnera beating V.K. in a time machine? MY ASS!!!

MR.BILL

09-20-2009, 03:13 PM	#1
cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,381 vCash: 1000	Carnera and Vitali compared I've seen a lot of comparisons drawn between Carnera's boxing ability and Vitali Klitschko's. At times, the claim is made that Carnera was as good technically as "modern" superheavyweights, or better. I challenge all and sundry to prove this claim with footage. Lots of Carnera's fights are up on Youtube, as are Klitschko's. Post the fights and point to specific examples (including the time) where Carnera displays better boxing ability. Convince me. I'm very gullible--I promise.
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09-20-2009, 03:22 PM	#2
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,046 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared I already attempted to do this in another thread. I posted Klitschko Peter and then posted Sharkey Carnera II for comparison. What the footage suggested was that Carnera employed verry similar tactics to Klitschko and might have been a little more versatile in some aspects. What also came across was not the difference between Klitscko and Carnera but the difference between Sam Peter and Jack Sharkey. I submit that Carnera would have overcome the version of Sam Peter that Vitally fought verry convincingly and that that Vitally would have had a more competitive fight with the version of Jack Sharkey that Carnera beat than he did with Peter.
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09-20-2009, 03:32 PM	#3
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,046 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared It might be worth saying something about Carnera's technical development. Carnera found his own Manny Steward in Abe Attel who taught him to use his physical advantages to greater effect. Just as there is a pre Steward Lewis and a post Steward Lewis so there is a pre and post Attel Carnera.
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09-20-2009, 04:22 PM	#4
GPater11093 Barry East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 26,118 vCash: 836	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared i have always said Carnera is very similar to Klitschko Jess Willard is also of this ilk
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TheGreatA Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,116 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared I'd compare Carnera to Wladimir and Willard to Vitali.
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09-20-2009, 06:07 PM	#9
KTFO Guest Posts: n/a vCash:	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared Comparing Vitali to Carnera either indicates severe brain damage or high provocation potential.
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MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared The size is comparable and that's were it ends, too............ Carnera was a typical "Baby Huey" as a boxer, while Vitali Klit is an ATG heavyweight fighter................. MR.BILL
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09-20-2009, 08:58 PM	#14
cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,381 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared Janitor, would you be able to copy and paste your previous analysis, by any chance? I'm very interested to read it.
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MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: Carnera and Vitali compared Carnera beating V.K. in a time machine? MY ASS!!! MR.BILL
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