Hagler v Hopkins

JudgeDredd · 09-21-2009, 04:22 AM

Prime for Prime.

I see Marvin winning a close decision after 12 cagey rounds.

laxpdx · 09-21-2009, 05:34 AM

I see Bernard holding his own through boxing and movement, but over time I see Marvin's tenacity taking over. Hagler eventually wears X down for an 10th round TKO.

Holmes' Jab · 09-21-2009, 07:36 AM

Hagler UD. Same outcome over 12 or 15.

mckay_89 · 09-21-2009, 07:45 AM

B-Hop in a close but clear decision. He has all the physical advantages over Hagler, is very hard to outbox and can match Hagler for any rough tactics he might employ. How anyone could think that this fight is going to finish with a stoppage either way is beyond me.

Holmes' Jab · 09-21-2009, 07:48 AM

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B-Hop in a close but clear decision. He has all the physical advantages over Hagler, is very hard to outbox and can match Hagler for any rough tactics he might employ.

Hagler would outhussle him and sweep the championship rounds on effective workrate. Hopkins is mean, Marv meaner. Hopkins would be removed from anything appraoching a comfort zone.

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How anyone could think that this fight is going to finish with a stoppage either way is beyond me.

100% agreed.

ramalinga · 09-21-2009, 08:01 AM

There is a reason Marvin stayed at middleweight for his whole career, besides legacy. he was an incredible physical fighter at 160. I'm not so sure he would fare well against a fighter who was able to jump to 175 and outmuscle a 6'3 fighter like Tarver who walks around at 210 - 220. Hopkins has been beaten by one attribute, speed. RJJ, Taylor, Calzaghe all had very different styles but the speed advantage over Hopkins. Marvin's was a very good boxer - puncher but his best attribute was his combination of relentlessness and chin, something that doesn't do the trick against Hopkins. Close fight, but I see Hopkins edging it.

Mr Butt · 09-21-2009, 08:06 AM

hagler ud over 12 or 15

Robbi · 09-21-2009, 08:43 AM

Hopkins has the perfect style to beat Hagler IMO. He's tall and rangey, good on the outside, durable, quick, decent jab, defense, and he's got a superb boxing brain. I just think his overall style would pose serious problems for Hagler. IMO, Hopkins' best bet would be to hang back and counter rather than rush forward.

Stevie G · 09-21-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JudgeDredd

Prime for Prime.

I see Marvin winning a close decision after 12 cagey rounds.

This is how I see it. It's hard to gauge how it would be if it was a 15 rounder,as Hopkins is n't quite old enough to have fought in the fifteen round era.

Dave's Top Ten · 09-21-2009, 11:12 AM

I think Hopkins has some of the tools to beat Hagler, but he's missing a few. I think to beat Hagler you'd have to have more power, speed and movement than Hopkins possesses, although he's no slouch in any of those areas.

Intruiging chess match. Close first 6 rounds. Hagler's takes over in the second half as the they both open up.

UD Hagler.

lefthook31 · 09-21-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave's Top Ten

I think Hopkins has some of the tools to beat Hagler, but he's missing a few. I think to beat Hagler you'd have to have more power, speed and movement than Hopkins possesses, although he's no slouch in any of those areas.

Intruiging chess match. Close first 6 rounds. Hagler's takes over in the second half as the they both open up.

UD Hagler.

I agree and I think Hagler had a better jab overall.

Boro chris · 09-21-2009, 11:54 AM

Hagler ud. Faster, sharper, stronger and with better combinations. He'd also outwork Hopkins too.
As for Hopkins prime I'm guessing were going with the master who disected Trinidad as opposed to the younger version who beat Johnson.

lefthook31 · 09-21-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro chris

Hagler ud. Faster, sharper, stronger and with better combinations. He'd also outwork Hopkins too.
As for Hopkins prime I'm guessing were going with the master who disected Trinidad as opposed to the younger version who beat Johnson.

You know Hopkins had a little difficulty dealing with the strength and power of Echols and Allen. I think your right in that he perfected his defense a little more leading up to Trinidad, but then again Trinidad was never a true middleweight, and Joppy and Holmes were smallish middleweights as well.

Brighton bomber · 09-21-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31

You know Hopkins had a little difficulty dealing with the strength and power of Echols and Allen. I think your right in that he perfected his defense a little more leading up to Trinidad, but then again Trinidad was never a true middleweight, and Joppy and Holmes were smallish middleweights as well.

I agree that Tito was more a natural light middle but Joppy and Holmes? Now you are altering facts to suit your hypothesis. Joppy has never fought below middle and is the same height as Hagler, while Holmes is 6 feet 2.

I personally give Hopkins the slight edge here. I can't see Hagler outboxing the taller, more mobile Hopkins. And while Hopkins of course won't be able to do a sugar Ray and stay away all night, Hopkins has shown he is very effective on the inside and while at a disadvantage wouldn't be completely overwhelmed in close.

Dave's Top Ten · 09-21-2009, 12:28 PM

I can definitely see Hagler outboxing Hopkins during periods of the fight. Hagler would have the greater workrate, better jab, more fluid combinations, edge in strength and power and at least be even on sheer boxing ability. For all Hop's ability, he just doesn't quite have the skillset to deal with what Hagler brings.

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laxpdx Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,368 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins I see Bernard holding his own through boxing and movement, but over time I see Marvin's tenacity taking over. Hagler eventually wears X down for an 10th round TKO.
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Holmes' Jab Master Jabber ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,517 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins Hagler UD. Same outcome over 12 or 15.
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mckay_89 Haw you! ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Funky Town Posts: 2,263 vCash: 1065	Re: Hagler v Hopkins B-Hop in a close but clear decision. He has all the physical advantages over Hagler, is very hard to outbox and can match Hagler for any rough tactics he might employ. How anyone could think that this fight is going to finish with a stoppage either way is beyond me.
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ramalinga Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,116 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins There is a reason Marvin stayed at middleweight for his whole career, besides legacy. he was an incredible physical fighter at 160. I'm not so sure he would fare well against a fighter who was able to jump to 175 and outmuscle a 6'3 fighter like Tarver who walks around at 210 - 220. Hopkins has been beaten by one attribute, speed. RJJ, Taylor, Calzaghe all had very different styles but the speed advantage over Hopkins. Marvin's was a very good boxer - puncher but his best attribute was his combination of relentlessness and chin, something that doesn't do the trick against Hopkins. Close fight, but I see Hopkins edging it.
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Mr Butt Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2009 Location: out preaching for the church of benn Posts: 5,852 vCash: 1054	Re: Hagler v Hopkins hagler ud over 12 or 15
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Robbi Marvelous East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: UK Posts: 7,549 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins Hopkins has the perfect style to beat Hagler IMO. He's tall and rangey, good on the outside, durable, quick, decent jab, defense, and he's got a superb boxing brain. I just think his overall style would pose serious problems for Hagler. IMO, Hopkins' best bet would be to hang back and counter rather than rush forward.
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09-21-2009, 11:12 AM	#10
Dave's Top Ten Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 579 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins I think Hopkins has some of the tools to beat Hagler, but he's missing a few. I think to beat Hagler you'd have to have more power, speed and movement than Hopkins possesses, although he's no slouch in any of those areas. Intruiging chess match. Close first 6 rounds. Hagler's takes over in the second half as the they both open up. UD Hagler.
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09-21-2009, 11:54 AM	#12
Boro chris Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm not Jesus Christ. I've come to accept that now. Posts: 5,138 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins Hagler ud. Faster, sharper, stronger and with better combinations. He'd also outwork Hopkins too. As for Hopkins prime I'm guessing were going with the master who disected Trinidad as opposed to the younger version who beat Johnson.
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09-21-2009, 12:28 PM	#15
Dave's Top Ten Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 579 vCash: 1000	Re: Hagler v Hopkins I can definitely see Hagler outboxing Hopkins during periods of the fight. Hagler would have the greater workrate, better jab, more fluid combinations, edge in strength and power and at least be even on sheer boxing ability. For all Hop's ability, he just doesn't quite have the skillset to deal with what Hagler brings.
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