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Old 09-22-2009, 07:29 AM   #1
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Default 175 lb 2nd Round-Galindez vs Loughran

15 rounds, who takes it?

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Old 09-22-2009, 08:30 AM   #2
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****inghell can i get back to you on this one? I like watching Galindez in patient mode more so than any other believe it or not. What an interesting counter puncher he was. Loughran i've likened to a matador. People will say that Loughran would force Galindez to come to him, but if Galindez takes the gameplan he did against Muhammad then i don't see it, he waits around all day and Loughran would be the one looking to paint an artistic, and pugilistic picture on his rough Argentinian canvas. Chances are he would do so, with his jab. When Galindez goes to the ropes i don't see it working all too well. Such a better boxer than Muhammad, Loughran will score points. Galindez i would like to see take this one. I'll be back with a strategy for both me and him that enables me to make a case!
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:31 AM   #3
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:01 AM   #4
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****inghell can i get back to you on this one? I like watching Galindez in patient mode more so than any other believe it or not. What an interesting counter puncher he was. Loughran i've likened to a matador. People will say that Loughran would force Galindez to come to him, but if Galindez takes the gameplan he did against Muhammad then i don't see it, he waits around all day and Loughran would be the one looking to paint an artistic, and pugilistic picture on his rough Argentinian canvas. Chances are he would do so, with his jab. When Galindez goes to the ropes i don't see it working all too well. Such a better boxer than Muhammad, Loughran will score points. Galindez i would like to see take this one. I'll be back with a strategy for both me and him that enables me to make a case!
No, you are more than within your rights to take some time on this one, it needs time.

A seriously tough matchup for many reasons. Got Galindez on the brain at the mo', gonna watch some Loughran later this afternoon (Rents have just come back from New York so fairly busy at this second....well, not that busy but you know) and see if there's any nuances I missed that could spell disaster for either man.

One things for certain, it's going the 15.
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:30 PM   #5
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Default Re: 175 lb 2nd Round-Galindez vs Loughran

Such a hard one to pick.

A constant jab posed Galindez problems. Yaqui Lopez demonstrated this, Galindez often took a few before going into his trademark upper body movement. As Teeto said, Loughran may be a bit too intelligent to fall for Galindez's rope-a-dope, using his fast feet to dart in and out and not allowing Galindez to throw his counters.

However, once Galindez got going he was insatiable. Whilst he may fall short with his jab here, he was great at hooking off the jab and can get in range. Loughran was famously strong in the clinch, but so was Galindez and he works well inside the clinch.

Galindez is quite like an old-time fighter, cagey with a lot of different tricks. Loughran however, will be used to low blows and rabbit punches coming from his era.

Another thing Galindez does well is feign with his jab to set up lead rights and hooks to the body. I see Loughran finding it difficult to evade this for the whole fight.

Neither man is getting stopped here. From the newspaper reports I've seen, Loughran fared well against Greb, whose upper body movement and aggressive punching, caginess and elusiveness brings to mind Galindez in a way (not sure whether Greb was anything like him but it's notable I guess) but I feel Galindez will do the more eye-catching punching here, and is super strong down the stretch.

I find it hard to make a pick. I'm pretty certain the rounds would be very, very close. Mainly because I feel Loughran will romp home again, I go for Galindez 8-7. Loughrans lack of power allows him more confidence in getting past the jab and although Loughran is busier, Galindez remains strong on the inside and lands the more eye catching blows.

Cagey, tactical affair.
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Galindez on points. Galindez could handle boxers. A nice boxer like Len Hutchins didn't pose Galindez much trouble, although I don't see Victor putting a dent in Tommy in the same manner. Pierre Fourie was another nice boxer and Galindez beat him twice by breathing down his neck. And Pierre had the same stout chin as Tommy. He also beat back Jesse Burnett when he was more prime Galindez than the scar-tissued fighter who lost to Jesse in his final bout. Tommy was rocked a few times by fighters like McTigue and Carpentier, so he wasn't impervious. I just see Victor Galindez on him from the outset pounding out a decision.

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Old 09-22-2009, 02:17 PM   #7
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Such a hard one to pick.

A constant jab posed Galindez problems. Yaqui Lopez demonstrated this, Galindez often took a few before going into his trademark upper body movement. As Teeto said, Loughran may be a bit too intelligent to fall for Galindez's rope-a-dope, using his fast feet to dart in and out and not allowing Galindez to throw his counters.

However, once Galindez got going he was insatiable. Whilst he may fall short with his jab here, he was great at hooking off the jab and can get in range. Loughran was famously strong in the clinch, but so was Galindez and he works well inside the clinch.

Galindez is quite like an old-time fighter, cagey with a lot of different tricks. Loughran however, will be used to low blows and rabbit punches coming from his era.

Another thing Galindez does well is feign with his jab to set up lead rights and hooks to the body. I see Loughran finding it difficult to evade this for the whole fight.

Neither man is getting stopped here. From the newspaper reports I've seen, Loughran fared well against Greb, whose upper body movement and aggressive punching, caginess and elusiveness brings to mind Galindez in a way (not sure whether Greb was anything like him but it's notable I guess) but I feel Galindez will do the more eye-catching punching here, and is super strong down the stretch.

I find it hard to make a pick. I'm pretty certain the rounds would be very, very close. Mainly because I feel Loughran will romp home again, I go for Galindez 8-7. Loughrans lack of power allows him more confidence in getting past the jab and although Loughran is busier, Galindez remains strong on the inside and lands the more eye catching blows.

Cagey, tactical affair.
Great analysis that Flea. I still feel as though as i;m leaning towards Loughran, though i don't want to.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:57 PM   #8
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Great analysis that Flea. I still feel as though as i;m leaning towards Loughran, though i don't want to.

Go with your head, not with your heart

Loughran is damn, damn good. He has a shot at winning this tournament, no doubt. I can envision him winning more in a series of 5 than Galindez. I went for Galindez because I feel it would be a close and sometimes scrappy affair, and as there are more vocal Loughran supporters than Galindez, I went for the Argentine.

Come on man ANALYSIS
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Go with your head, not with your heart

Loughran is damn, damn good. He has a shot at winning this tournament, no doubt. I can envision him winning more in a series of 5 than Galindez. I went for Galindez because I feel it would be a close and sometimes scrappy affair, and as there are more vocal Loughran supporters than Galindez, I went for the Argentine.

Come on man ANALYSIS
Okay, well for my analysis.

I'm starting to entertain the thought that Galindez could be the foil for the pure boxer. The way he bobs and weaves, but not pouring in, more of a counter punching with good leverage type man. I do think, as i said earlier, that the patient Galindez becomes the canvas for not quite the pugilistic masterpiece of the arts world (as he would certainly smudge the master's brush a bit), but you get what i mean, Loughran would like that. Galindez has to be at his cagiest and trickiest best, and he can do it. He'd have to move that head and let the short punches go before turning back out, and he'd have to keep Loughran guessing al night. As you can see, i'm trying to put together a perfect strategy here that Galindez is capable, on the evidence, of executing properly. I think i've done a good job, but also, as you can see, i'm going all out on Galindez and i'm struggling somewhat. That's because i just got that feeling that Loughran could be busy and take this because of that, in a bloody affair.

I'm actually going for Galindez to take some early rounds and they bode well for him ultimately. As Loughran lures him in in the middle of the scheduled fifteen, he enjoys his finest spells of the bout. But Galindez could score with body shots via unorthodox methods towards the close and edge it.

Galindez.
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:34 PM   #10
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After Galindez won his part of the lightheavy crown with that 13th round tko of Len Hutchins, when he fought with a savage desperation..decking Len en route to the stoppage and sending Hutchins to the hospital..many fans, myself included were expecting more of the same from Galindez..and were we in for a shock...beginning with his 15 round decision win over Pierra Fourie in his 1st defense, and for the better part of his first reign as champion before losing to Mike Rossman, he had morphed into a patient, resourceful counterpuncher who rarely led, and fought off the ropes masterfully, winging those hard, vindictive left hooks and short rights to the body. I think his fights were tedious to some at times, but he was a smart fighter who could very well have reverted to his roots and brawled with the best of them, but actually did that only one time against Richie Kates the first time, when he was cut and a bit panicky because he may have percieved that he was behind on points against the American. A single, brutal left hook save his crown that night. He had a couple of gift decisions, at least one anyway against Yaqui Lopez..
Tommy Loughran was, on the other hand the consumate matador/boxer as Galindez was a countering bull, and was one of the most studious master boxers of all time who depended almost exclusively on his great, educated left jab and ring generalship wizardry. An argument I make for Loughrans chances against Victor would be comparing him to Pierre Fourie..he was Fourie squared, IMO. On the other hand, I've always been a fan of Galindez, and I always thought he would be just slightly too much for the excellent John Conteh, had they had clashed when they were both champions..and at times I've doubted that as well. and I've since believed that they would have fought a series, or at least two fights, with each winning one. As for this Loughran-Galindez matchup...can't sit on the fence...and a draw is a copout..I guess the only outcome, based on Loughran's fearlessness and the fact that if there wasn't a 100 lb. difference and all the size advantages that belonged to Primo Carnera in their fight...that Loughran would have won the heavyweight title..I'll have to go with Loughran, fighting a mistake free, virtuoso type performance, using the left jab as a rapier and being the matadoe to Galindez's countering bull to win, as Flea said, a very tactical type affair, and Tommy was indeed too smart to be lured into any traps that Victor may set. I think that Tommy could well have been able to close the gaps and sealed the deal in ways that the vastly more limited Yaqui Lopez was unable to...and would have risen to the occasion like Mustafa Muhammad was unwilling to do and that Fourie was unable to.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:54 AM   #11
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:09 AM   #12
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Galindez was very cagey, fighting off the ropes, and a strong hitter, but Loughran wrote the book, he would not fall for the Argetinian's ploys Tommy by dec.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:18 PM   #15
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galindez gives away to many rounds early trying to outsmart loughran ,changes his tactics but drops a ud despite coming on late
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