If Kessler Dominates Joe. What becomes of Joe's legacy?

chimba · 09-18-2007, 07:00 PM

I think its shit.

McGrain · 09-18-2007, 07:03 PM

Yeah, he's fucked legacy wise if dominated. It is really up in the air even if he gets beat, freakishly. Finally, if he wins its absolutley rock solid, and another big win could put him over the top.

chimba · 09-18-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Yeah, he's fucked legacy wise if dominated. It is really up in the air even if he gets beat, freakishly. Finally, if he wins its absolutley rock solid, and another big win could put him over the top.

If Joe dominates Kessler, hes finally deserving of the p4p list

yesihavearm · 09-18-2007, 07:06 PM

Wont happen.

brooklyn1550 · 09-18-2007, 07:06 PM

He would still be a top 10 super middleweight all time, but it would not be good for his legacy.

Stinky gloves · 09-18-2007, 07:06 PM

Calzaghe legacy will be shit even if he dominates Kessler.

Right after Kessler loses he become another overrated B-level fighter,
no better than Beyer or Lacy.

From the long standing point of view Joe need beat Jones/Hopkins/Woods.
After 20 years nobody will remember who Lacy or Kessler was.

Napoleon · 09-18-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brooklyn1550

He would still be a top 10 super middleweight all time, but it would not be good for his legacy.

chimba · 09-18-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

Calzaghe legacy will be shit even if he dominates Kessler.

Right after Kessler loses he become another overrated B-level fighter,
no better than Beyer or Lacy.

From the long standing point of view Joe need beat Jones/Hopkins/Woods.
After 20 years nobody will remember who Lacy or Kessler was.

I know you're frustrated..

brooklyn1550 · 09-18-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon

What do you mean with the

's?

If Calzaghe is dominated by Kessler, he will still be remembered as a top 10 super middleweight all time because of his unbeaten streak, his unification of the WBO and IBF titles, and the number of title defenses. However, he would be remembered by most as the guy with all the title defenses who was badly beaten by the best fighter he faced.

If he wins, he has a case to be the greatest at 168 - when looking at resumes, not head to head ability.

Just my 2 cents

DanePugilist · 09-18-2007, 07:16 PM

What brooklyn said really. JC still remained unbeaten throughout most of his career and more importantly - showed great skills in the process.. By skill and talent he will be remembered.

If this happens, its up to Kessler to secure JCs legacy even more.

PrideOfWales · 09-18-2007, 07:29 PM

If Kessler beats Joe at 35 in a close fight, it won't hurt Calzaghe's legacy that much, depending on how he lost and what Kessler goes on to achieve. Strangely, a win for an over the hill Calzaghe against a prime Kessler maybe hurts Calzaghe's legacy more as Kessler is open to being called another bum... a good B level boxer. I don't think Kessler is a B level boxer but you can see where I'm coming from. If the 35 year old Joe beats Mikkel clearly, Joe's resume will still lack a "proven champion" - a man who beat the man, if you will.

If Kessler dominates Calzaghe, I will be more surprised than seeing Kenya enter a last minute team into the world series and winning every game.

Jazzo · 09-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Well, he beat "The middleweight version of Prime Tyson", so he has had a career defining fight in the bag.

If he loses he can probably put it down to shotness, and so he cannot truly lose.

chimba · 09-18-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PrideOfWales

At 35 it won't hurt Calzaghe's legacy that much, depending on how he lost and what Kessler goes on to achieve. Strangely, a win for an over the hill Calzaghe against a prime Kessler maybe hurts Calzaghe's legacy more as Kessler is open to being called another bum... a good B level boxer. I don't think Kessler is a B level boxer but you can see where I'm coming from. If the 35 year old Joe beats Mikkel clearly, Joe's resume will still lack a "proven champion" - a man who beat the man, if you will.

True.. The worst will be to lose to Kess and Kess ends up with a barely above average career

McGrain · 09-18-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzo

If he loses he can probably put it down to shotness, and so he cannot truly lose.

Calzaghe is nowhere near shot, that's apparant.

Relentless · 09-18-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brooklyn1550

What do you mean with the

's?

If Calzaghe is dominated by Kessler, he will still be remembered as a top 10 super middleweight all time because of his unbeaten streak, his unification of the WBO and IBF titles, and the number of title defenses. However, he would be remembered by most as the guy with all the title defenses who was badly beaten by the best fighter he faced.

If he wins, he has a case to be the greatest at 168 - when looking at resumes, not head to head ability.

Just my 2 cents

theres no point explaining this to these pubescent teenagers.

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DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,610 vCash: 1000	Re: If Kessler Dominates Joe. What becomes of Joe's legacy? What brooklyn said really. JC still remained unbeaten throughout most of his career and more importantly - showed great skills in the process.. By skill and talent he will be remembered. If this happens, its up to Kessler to secure JCs legacy even more.
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PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport Essex innit Posts: 7,612 vCash: 75	Re: If Kessler Dominates Joe. What becomes of Joe's legacy? If Kessler beats Joe at 35 in a close fight, it won't hurt Calzaghe's legacy that much, depending on how he lost and what Kessler goes on to achieve. Strangely, a win for an over the hill Calzaghe against a prime Kessler maybe hurts Calzaghe's legacy more as Kessler is open to being called another bum... a good B level boxer. I don't think Kessler is a B level boxer but you can see where I'm coming from. If the 35 year old Joe beats Mikkel clearly, Joe's resume will still lack a "proven champion" - a man who beat the man, if you will. If Kessler dominates Calzaghe, I will be more surprised than seeing Kenya enter a last minute team into the world series and winning every game.
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Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 30,378 vCash: 1000	Re: If Kessler Dominates Joe. What becomes of Joe's legacy? Well, he beat "The middleweight version of Prime Tyson", so he has had a career defining fight in the bag. If he loses he can probably put it down to shotness, and so he cannot truly lose.
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