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Old 10-06-2009, 05:52 AM   #1
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Default 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

The Chagaev who faced Wladimir against the Dokes who fought Holyfield

Who wins and why ?

Weights - Chagaev 224 3/4, Dokes 225

age - Chagaev 30, Dokes 30

Record - Chagaev 25-0-1 , Dokes 37-1-2
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:01 AM   #2
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

Dokes. Stil fairly fast, strong and powerful. Chagaev would be at a reach disadvantage without the all-out ferocity Holy posseses.

Barring Dokes tiring late, I see Dokes via points.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:04 AM   #3
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

same as fleaman,

a plodding chagev would be picked apart against the fast hands of dokes
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:11 AM   #4
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

well, Chagaev is a good boxer himself, and let's not forget he overcame a much bigger height/reach deficit when he beat Valuev. I just think Dokes has more tools than Valuev.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:14 AM   #5
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

we are talking the chagaev that faced wlad ...fleaman
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:18 AM   #6
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

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we are talking the chagaev that faced wlad ...fleaman
Wlad makes people look bad. Chagaev and Dokes had their share of good and bad performances.

Has Dokes ever fought a highly ranked southpaw?
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:45 AM   #7
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and let's not forget he overcame a much bigger height/reach deficit when he beat Valuev.
Then again, so did 46 year old Holyfield, at least unofficially.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:47 AM   #8
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Then again, so did 46 year old Holyfield, at least unofficially.
True dat
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:47 AM   #9
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

I think the kind of pressure and handspeed that Dokes brought to the table in 1989 would have prevailed over Ruslan Chagaev.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:48 AM   #10
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

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Wlad makes people look bad. Chagaev and Dokes had their share of good and bad performances.

Has Dokes ever fought a highly ranked southpaw?

mendoza when wlad beat chagaev it looked like a sparring session
chagaev looked like it was a huge effort for him to throw more than one punch at a time.
i am not trying to take anything away from wlad he can only beat who he is put in the ring with but i do think he could of stopped chagaev any time after the 4th round
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:09 PM   #11
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:21 PM   #12
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

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mendoza when wlad beat chagaev it looked like a sparring session
chagaev looked like it was a huge effort for him to throw more than one punch at a time.
i am not trying to take anything away from wlad he can only beat who he is put in the ring with but i do think he could of stopped chagaev any time after the 4th round
Chagaev hasnt been the same since the Hepatitis, he looked a much better more fluid fighter before, after he looked about 60 the way he plodded. So Dokes certainly beats this version in a 1 sided fashion, take him from a few years ago and its more competitive
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:49 PM   #13
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Default Re: 2009 Ruslan Chagaev v. 1989 Michael Dokes

Out of all of these 80s heavy v. 90s heavy threads, this is the one where I think the 90s heavy wins. Dokes had a great fight with Holy but was stopped, and Holyfield has a reputation for fighting down to the opponents level anyway. Dokes accomplished almost nothing in the late 80s too. Chagaev has consistently gotten the job done except against Wlad, but I'll give Chagaev some slack because Wlad shuts down a lot of fighters. Chagaev by decision.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:12 PM   #14
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Dokes was still very good he wins this by decision 97-93.
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