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Old 10-11-2009, 03:13 PM   #1
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Default Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston

From the film I have seen, which I feel is enough. I think Rocky hits the heavy bag just as impressive as Liston.

Liston seems to have a lot of raw power. I would say his power on the heavy bag looks a lot more effortless - however he still really banging it. The difference between their execution seems to be with Liston really swinging his hips as leverage to bang his shots in. Marciano, although much more forcefully seems to move (In my estimation the same/similiar sized heavy-bag) and bang the heavy-bag just as impressively. Marciano gets lower and crunches at the bang using leverage from his legs, to his hips, all the way through his swing in his arms.

I'd bet that if they had a power test, Liston could register a little higher on the rector scale. If I can find footage on youtube to show some sort of difference I will.

As for Foreman - nobody hits the heavy-bag the way Foreman did.
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:31 PM   #2
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From the film I have seen, which I feel is enough. I think Rocky hits the heavy bag just as impressive as Liston.

Liston seems to have a lot of raw power. I would say his power on the heavy bag looks a lot more effortless - however he still really banging it. The difference between their execution seems to be with Liston really swinging his hips as leverage to bang his shots in. Marciano, although much more forcefully seems to move (In my estimation the same/similiar sized heavy-bag) and bang the heavy-bag just as impressively. Marciano gets lower and crunches at the bang using leverage from his legs, to his hips, all the way through his swing in his arms.

I'd bet that if they had a power test, Liston could register a little higher on the rector scale. If I can find footage on youtube to show some sort of difference I will.

As for Foreman - nobody hits the heavy-bag the way Foreman did.
well for what its worth foreman once said that liston had more power then him.but then again foreman said alot.
but i do not belive that marciano hit harder then liston.
just look at the way they both are build..
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:31 PM   #3
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Looking at footage of Marciano knocking out his oponents, and comparing it to similar footage of Liston, you might initialy think that Marciano hit harder, before you factored in the fact that his punches traveled a much shorter distance.

One poster who watched Marciano, Liston and Foreman hit the heavy bag said that Liston and Foreman seemed to hit a bit harder but that they wernt as active on the bag.

My guess is that Marciano did not hit as hard as Liston or Foreman, but that it was frightningly close, and coming in from a much shorter distance.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:35 PM   #4
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Marciano was a bastard. Horrible, horrible. I can't think of anything worse to see coming out of the other corner. Awful.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:35 PM   #5
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[quote=junior-soprano;5140093]well for what its worth foreman once said that liston had more power then him.but then again foreman said alot.
but i do not belive that marciano hit harder then liston.
just look at the way they both are build..[
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If only it was that simple. And yes, neither do I.

Foreman said a lot. From being scared to Norton, to ducking Quarry, and to saying he was poisoned before the fight in Zaire, to saying that the Cheeseburger he ate 2 days before the fight in Africa ruined him. He was warned that the cheeseburger would ruin him but he was George Foreman and "HAD TO HAVE that cheeseburger" (This is a new subtle excuse from George if you haven't heard it).

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Looking at footage of Marciano knocking out his oponents, and comparing it to similar footage of Liston, you might initialy think that Marciano hit harder, before you factored in the fact that his punches traveled a much shorter distance.

One poster who watched Marciano, Liston and Foreman hit the heavy bag said that Liston and Foreman seemed to hit a bit harder but that they wernt as active on the bag.

My guess is that Marciano did not hit as hard as Liston or Foreman, but that it was frightningly close, and coming in from a much shorter distance.
Good post. Yes I do think Liston hit harder than Marciano, as I do think Foreman was more powerful than Liston, but it's close. Probably much closer than most folks might think.

From watching Marciano and Liston hit the heavy bag, the comparison seems reasonable to make. I was surprised how impressive Marciano looked in contrast to Liston. Foreman, is a whole another story. He just was absolutely viciously pounding the heavy-bag in When We Were Kings.

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Marciano was a bastard. Horrible, horrible. I can't think of anything worse to see coming out of the other corner. Awful.
For the very fact that you were going against the most determined, relentless, and unbreakable man. That's got to be discouraging.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:38 PM   #6
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Marciano was a bastard. Horrible, horrible. I can't think of anything worse to see coming out of the other corner. Awful.
I can see where you are coming from.

All other atributes being equal he would be the nightmare oponent from the neck up.
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I can see where you are coming from.

All other atributes being equal he would be the nightmare oponent from the neck up.

Awful. I think the temptation would always, always be to fight him very very fast in the opening rounds, which of course, gets you horribly KO'd in the late rounds. I do rate Rocky lower than a lot of ther members head to head, but i'd want seasoned versions of the top HW's to take him on, it's hard for me to imagine him losing to an inexperienced fighter whatever the physical advantages they have....maybe a phenom like Tyson could do it, but Jesus.
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:11 PM   #8
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speaking of tyson, he is amazing on the heavybag....

him vs foreman on the bag....

foreman is brute hard clubbing puncher

and tyson to be a sharper more expostive hitter but not as much raw power
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:13 PM   #9
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speaking of tyson, he is amazing on the heavybag....

him vs foreman on the bag....

foreman is brute hard clubbing puncher

and tyson to be a sharper more expostive hitter but not as much raw power
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDy41yxwbb0[/ame]

A marvel to watch.
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Old 10-11-2009, 06:05 PM   #11
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You also have to factor in the fact that Rocky used a 300lb bag!!! he was 189 lbs. so pound for pound he probalbly did hit harder than Sonny.
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:07 PM   #12
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You also have to factor in the fact that Rocky used a 300lb bag!!! he was 189 lbs. so pound for pound he probalbly did hit harder than Sonny.
Right, I didn't use that footage in comparison since it's much more difficult to move that sort of heavy bag. But yeah, Rocky did a lot of crazy training things like this.
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Foreman didn't train on the heavybag, he killed it.
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Foreman didn't train on the heavybag, he killed it.
I seen Rocky on that 280 lb bag and it's impressive but Foreman is just inhuman.

Personally, I prefer to get hit by neither.
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