Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston - Page 2

Bummy Davis · 10-12-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PetethePrince

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A marvel to watch.

that bag is an 100 lb bag at the most remember Marciano hit a 275lb Bag

Bummy Davis · 10-12-2009, 10:06 PM

A friend of mine was a sparring partner for Darius Mickaleski in Germany and traveled with Bryd when he was fighting Vlad Klitschko...He said he never saw anyone hit the bag Like Vlad, he said Vlad folded the bag in half with a hook... this kid trained in a lot of top NY gyms and seen many heavyweight hit the bag and Train, Tyson included but was amazed by Vlad's force

Unforgiven · 10-13-2009, 08:23 AM

I still like that story Ron Lipton told on one of these forums, about how frightening an old diabetic 50+ year old Tony Galento was hitting the bag in the same gym as him. Ron swore Galento's power demonstrated on that bag was as great or greater than anyone he witnessed before or since, and he's seen the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Liston.

PetethePrince · 10-13-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unforgiven

I still like that story Ron Lipton told on one of these forums, about how frightening an old diabetic 50+ year old Tony Galento was hitting the bag in the same gym as him. Ron swore Galento's power demonstrated on that bag was as great or greater than anyone he witnessed before or since, and he's seen the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Liston.

Foreman would agree with him. Maybe Louis didn't have that bad of a chin after all (As critics point out). Maybe getting dropped by a guy like Galento wasn't all that bad. Foreman says that he sure could hit.

elTerrible · 10-13-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PetethePrince

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A marvel to watch.

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Originally Posted by Bummy Davis

that bag is an 100 lb bag at the most remember Marciano hit a 275lb Bag

That video isnt that good, he is obviously filming for something and isnt doing it for real training

jaffay · 02-10-2011, 05:59 PM

Any links to that vid? I also can't find that prefight vid from Marciano-Walcott preparations. Jersey Joe showed there some magic with his footwork.

burt bienstock · 02-10-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dabox

speaking of tyson, he is amazing on the heavybag....

him vs foreman on the bag....

foreman is brute hard clubbing puncher

and tyson to be a sharper more expostive hitter but not as much raw power

dabox, your avatar is a picture of as TOUGH a fighter that ever lived. Ace
Hudkins, the Nebraska Wildcat..

Surf-Bat · 02-10-2011, 08:57 PM

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Yes, Foreman's power looks awesome on the heavybag. But look at the technique he's employing. He basically just squares up on it, plants his feet and whales away, whereas Rocky and Sonny employ some real technique with it, treating it as if it were an oppenent. George treats it as if it is what it is- a stationary object that's not going to move or hit him back.

Would Rocky and Sonny look similarly impressive (power-wise) if they just stopped, spead their feet and whaled away like Foreman does?

I don't see why not.

Bummy Davis · 02-10-2011, 09:54 PM

I got to really appreciate Marciano as time went by and the more I learned about the sport and the more I spoke to some great and smart boxing people...

Marciano had some special element inside him, Charlie Goldman did a brilliant job bringing out the diamond out of the coal and Marciano trained like something not human, he was obsessed.

Remember the guy ran like a marathon runner, hit a 280lb heavy bag (unheard of) and had a lot of other weird training methods like underwater punching and Quick release bolder throwing. Marciano was a freak at 5"11 and 188lbs but he could hit as hard as any man who ever lived and kept coming...

I would hate to share a ring with Rocky, he had an unorthodox style, threw some oddball rhythm breaking shots...and never stopped coming...I would not like to share a ring with Liston or Foreman unless I had the defense of a Jimmy Young or Ali or the legs and speed of Gene Tunney or the chin of either of the 3 ( all had excellent whiskers)

thing with Marciano is he never got tired, never gave up trying, and had late power and that is a tough 3 elements to defeat

albinored · 02-11-2011, 02:15 AM

...how would marciano and liston compare if both were hitting the heavy bag with left jabs? just askin'...

Boucher · 02-11-2011, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Marciano was a bastard. Horrible, horrible. I can't think of anything worse to see coming out of the other corner. Awful.

Little stubby guy
I could take him.

Duodenum · 02-11-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Unforgiven

I still like that story Ron Lipton told on one of these forums, about how frightening an old diabetic 50+ year old Tony Galento was hitting the bag in the same gym as him. Ron swore Galento's power demonstrated on that bag was as great or greater than anyone he witnessed before or since, and he's seen the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Liston.

Like many others, I too read Lipton's account with interest. Galento had huge muscular calves and powerful thighs to help generate tremendous torque with those short hooks wrapped around his stocky frame. He may have looked like a caricature, but that leveraged physique of his turned him into a lethal weapon. Bitter irony that diabetes cost him those wheels by the end of his life.

ecto55 · 02-12-2011, 08:14 PM

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Seamus · 02-12-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by junior-soprano

just look at the way they both are build..

Exactly! I make all my analysis just by looking at dudes. And nothing beats dude-looking for a good past-time!

This dude really demolishes a bag!

Duodenum · 02-13-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Exactly! I make all my analysis just by looking at dudes. And nothing beats dude-looking for a good past-time!

This dude really demolishes a bag!

2:12 to 4:40. And after what you see at 3:47, you might think twice before you drink another V8, have a bowl of tomato soup with butter melted on top, or imbibe in your next Bloody Mary. (For the rest of my life, I will look at large biceps as giant, pus filled zits.)

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10-12-2009, 10:06 PM	#17
Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,191 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston A friend of mine was a sparring partner for Darius Mickaleski in Germany and traveled with Bryd when he was fighting Vlad Klitschko...He said he never saw anyone hit the bag Like Vlad, he said Vlad folded the bag in half with a hook... this kid trained in a lot of top NY gyms and seen many heavyweight hit the bag and Train, Tyson included but was amazed by Vlad's force
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10-13-2009, 08:23 AM	#18
Unforgiven Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13,141 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston I still like that story Ron Lipton told on one of these forums, about how frightening an old diabetic 50+ year old Tony Galento was hitting the bag in the same gym as him. Ron swore Galento's power demonstrated on that bag was as great or greater than anyone he witnessed before or since, and he's seen the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Liston.
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jaffay New Orleans Hornets ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 2,033 vCash: 215	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston Any links to that vid? I also can't find that prefight vid from Marciano-Walcott preparations. Jersey Joe showed there some magic with his footwork.
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02-10-2011, 08:57 PM	#23
Surf-Bat Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,517 vCash: 500	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZtZlTIglDU[/ame] Yes, Foreman's power looks awesome on the heavybag. But look at the technique he's employing. He basically just squares up on it, plants his feet and whales away, whereas Rocky and Sonny employ some real technique with it, treating it as if it were an oppenent. George treats it as if it is what it is- a stationary object that's not going to move or hit him back. Would Rocky and Sonny look similarly impressive (power-wise) if they just stopped, spead their feet and whaled away like Foreman does? I don't see why not.
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02-10-2011, 09:54 PM	#24
Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,191 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston I got to really appreciate Marciano as time went by and the more I learned about the sport and the more I spoke to some great and smart boxing people... Marciano had some special element inside him, Charlie Goldman did a brilliant job bringing out the diamond out of the coal and Marciano trained like something not human, he was obsessed. Remember the guy ran like a marathon runner, hit a 280lb heavy bag (unheard of) and had a lot of other weird training methods like underwater punching and Quick release bolder throwing. Marciano was a freak at 5"11 and 188lbs but he could hit as hard as any man who ever lived and kept coming... I would hate to share a ring with Rocky, he had an unorthodox style, threw some oddball rhythm breaking shots...and never stopped coming...I would not like to share a ring with Liston or Foreman unless I had the defense of a Jimmy Young or Ali or the legs and speed of Gene Tunney or the chin of either of the 3 ( all had excellent whiskers) thing with Marciano is he never got tired, never gave up trying, and had late power and that is a tough 3 elements to defeat
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02-11-2011, 02:15 AM	#25
albinored Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: World Citizen Posts: 389 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston ...how would marciano and liston compare if both were hitting the heavy bag with left jabs? just askin'...
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ecto55 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: a little sun-drenched vinyard 3 hours north by nor-west of Sydney, NSW, Australia... Posts: 587 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano Hit The Heavy Bag As Impressive As Sonny Liston ............. Last edited by ecto55; 06-10-2011 at 02:52 AM.
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