Jack Johnson- Jim Johnson was a 10 rounder.

mattdonnellon · 11-20-2009, 05:35 AM

One of many reports in the French media re the Jack Johnson-Jim Johnson fight.
Le Figaro Decembre 19, 1913.
"Le celebre et magnifique boxeur negre Jack Johnson, que lit a Paris d'assez nombreux et longs sejours paraitra se soir pour la premiere fois sur la ring, rancais. Cette apparation a sensation aura lieu au Premierland. Jack Johnson s'y rencontrera en un combat en dix reprises de trois minutes contre le negre Jim Johnson"
BTw I have not seen it advertised as a World title fight.

Woller · 11-20-2009, 10:28 AM

Yes - I have never heard othervise ?!

Woller

guilalah · 11-20-2009, 01:46 PM

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woller post #2
Yes - I have never heard othervise ?!

Apparently over time there has developed a tradition the fight was stopped early.

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Dec 19 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Paris, Fr D 10
-Heavyweight Championship of the World;
This bout was scheduled for 20 rounds but
terminated after 10 rounds due to arm injury
to the Champion

janitor · 11-20-2009, 02:51 PM

I can see how some people got the wrong end of the stick but I am content that it was a ten rounder.

mcvey · 11-20-2009, 03:03 PM

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I can see how some people got the wrong end of the stick but I am content that it was a ten rounder.

Me too ,my French is rusty but that is pretty clear about it.

TBooze · 11-20-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mattdonnellon

BTw I have not seen it advertised as a World title fight.

Does not need to be, as it was not an exhibition; then by default as the World's Heavyweight Champion, Johnson has to be defending the championship, that is a unwritten rule.

Mendoza · 11-20-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by guilalah

Apparently over time there has developed a tradition the fight was stopped early.

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Dec 19 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Paris, Fr D 10
-Heavyweight Championship of the World;
This bout was scheduled for 20 rounds but
terminated after 10 rounds due to arm injury
to the Champion

And if it was a 20 round match, Jim Johnson should have been crowned the next champion via TKO win.

In fact the French wanted to strip Jack Johnson of his title for this fight.

Mendoza · 11-20-2009, 10:36 PM

By the way, you can see Jim " battling " Johnson on film. I have a few minutes of him vs. Sam McVey, and from the looks of it Battling Jim is slightly the better.

mcvey · 11-21-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

And if it was a 20 round match, Jim Johnson should have been crowned the next champion via TKO win.

In fact the French wanted to strip Jack Johnson of his title for this fight.

But, it was not a 20 rounder.

If your Aunt had balls she would be your Uncle, etc.

Mendoza · 11-21-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mcvey

But, it was not a 20 rounder.

That is debatable. I have shown you two cases where they say it was 20 rounds. By chance did you read about this fight in Unforgivable Blackness?

mattdonnellon · 11-24-2009, 06:09 AM

bump

Unforgiven · 11-24-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

By the way, you can see Jim " battling " Johnson on film. I have a few minutes of him vs. Sam McVey, and from the looks of it Battling Jim is slightly the better.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Du1z8R_f8[/ame]

I've seen this before, but I have my doubts over it being Battling Jim Johnson.
I think McVey is the one with the hair, and both fighters are under 6' IMO, with the bald one being slightly shorter.
Most sources put McVey at 5'10,
Jim Johnson is put at 6'3

So, which one of the two is McVey, and which one is 6'3 ?

mcvey · 11-24-2009, 08:14 AM

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I've seen this before, but I have my doubts over it being Battling Jim Johnson.
I think McVey is the one with the hair, and both fighters are under 6' IMO, with the bald one being slightly shorter.
Most sources put McVey at 5'10,
Jim Johnson is put at 6'3

So, which one of the two is McVey, and which one is 6'3 ?

That is Mcvey,who was under 5'11'' .I very much doubt that is Jim Johnson who is listed as 6'3'' and 220-240lbs,the photo of Johnson on Cyber zone shows a huge man with a full head of hair.
Mcvey's opponent looks shorter than him here, it's possibly Jeff Clark ,who was 5' 8''/9'' and shaved his head,it could be in Paris ,or Panama.

klompton · 11-24-2009, 09:16 AM

That is Jim Johnson. He was bald for much of his career.

Unforgiven · 11-24-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by klompton

That is Jim Johnson. He was bald for much of his career.

How tall was he ?

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mattdonnellon Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,384 vCash: 1000	Jack Johnson- Jim Johnson was a 10 rounder. One of many reports in the French media re the Jack Johnson-Jim Johnson fight. Le Figaro Decembre 19, 1913. "Le celebre et magnifique boxeur negre Jack Johnson, que lit a Paris d'assez nombreux et longs sejours paraitra se soir pour la premiere fois sur la ring, rancais. Cette apparation a sensation aura lieu au Premierland. Jack Johnson s'y rencontrera en un combat en dix reprises de trois minutes contre le negre Jim Johnson" BTw I have not seen it advertised as a World title fight.
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