Post- Prison- Tyson vs. 77- Ali

[Luigi1985]

Who wins and why? Let´s say the Tyson from the 2nd Bruno- fight (96) against the Ali from the Evangelista- fight (77)...

[Fedor Em]

Ali wins a decision, Tyson had 3-5 good rounds in him at this point. I believe this is around when Ali beat a near peak Shavers, so he is not getting stopped by this version of Tyson. I see Tyson taking 3-4 rounds in the first half and Ali winning the 2nd half of the fight.

[Blacc Jesus]

Ali by decision.

[ChrisPontius]

Tyson. Why do people pretend that Tyson was shot after prison? Watch his fight with Bruno, he looked as good and sharp as he ever did.

Obviously he did lose a LOT in mentality and a bit in conditioning, but it took Holyfield (who had the best night of his life, in my opinion) to beat him.

The '77 Ali almost lost a decision to the very limited Shavers, for Christ's sake. And he lost to 6-0 future journeyman Leon Spinks in his very next fight.
His other fights against top opposition (Young, Norton) are fights in which he got decisions that he according to most people did not deserve. Tyson's fast hands would find their mark too often. Holyfield still had sharp, hard punches when he fought Tyson. Ali could not throw the punches that he used to be able to.

Now if it's a '74 or '75 Ali, he'd probably win. But in '77 he had lost a tremendous amount of his abilities and he lacked the fundamentals to for instance block a left hook.

[Holmes' Jab]

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Tyson. Why do people pretend that Tyson was shot after prison? Watch his fight with Bruno, he looked as good and sharp as he ever did.

Obviously he did lose a LOT in mentality and a bit in conditioning, but it took Holyfield (who had the best night of his life, in my opinion) to beat him.

The '77 Ali almost lost a decision to the very limited Shavers, for Christ's sake. And he lost to 6-0 future journeyman Leon Spinks in his very next fight.
His other fights against top opposition (Young, Norton) are fights in which he got decisions that he according to most people did not deserve. Tyson's fast hands would find their mark too often. Holyfield still had sharp, hard punches when he fought Tyson. Ali could not throw the punches that he used to be able to.

Now if it's a '74 or '75 Ali, he'd probably win. But in '77 he had lost a tremendous amount of his abilities and he lacked the fundamentals to for instance block a left hook.

Spot on. I agree.

[NickHudson]

Chris,

It is my very great pleasure to say that I agree whole-heartedly with your post!

After 6 months on ESB I was wondering whether I would ever get a chance to say that...

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Tyson. Why do people pretend that Tyson was shot after prison? Watch his fight with Bruno, he looked as good and sharp as he ever did.

Obviously he did lose a LOT in mentality and a bit in conditioning, but it took Holyfield (who had the best night of his life, in my opinion) to beat him.

The '77 Ali almost lost a decision to the very limited Shavers, for Christ's sake. And he lost to 6-0 future journeyman Leon Spinks in his very next fight.
His other fights against top opposition (Young, Norton) are fights in which he got decisions that he according to most people did not deserve. Tyson's fast hands would find their mark too often. Holyfield still had sharp, hard punches when he fought Tyson. Ali could not throw the punches that he used to be able to.

Now if it's a '74 or '75 Ali, he'd probably win. But in '77 he had lost a tremendous amount of his abilities and he lacked the fundamentals to for instance block a left hook.

[Dempsey1238]

Ali was pretty much finish by 1977. I go with Tyson in this fight.

[mightyd40]

96 tyson wasnt to bad.....i go with tyson, i think he would rack up some early rounds on ali and even if ali came back it would be to late.

[C. M. Clay II]

I would say Tyson wins a clsoe decision over 15 rounds. Ali was shot by '77.

[Asterion]

Ali UD Tyson.

[ironchamp]

Tyson by KO.

Ali was further gone than Mike was. Tyson was definatley watered down but not to the extent that he'd lose to a fighter like 77 Ali.

[Robbi]

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Tyson. Why do people pretend that Tyson was shot after prison? Watch his fight with Bruno, he looked as good and sharp as he ever did.

Obviously he did lose a LOT in mentality and a bit in conditioning, but it took Holyfield (who had the best night of his life, in my opinion) to beat him.

The '77 Ali almost lost a decision to the very limited Shavers, for Christ's sake. And he lost to 6-0 future journeyman Leon Spinks in his very next fight.
His other fights against top opposition (Young, Norton) are fights in which he got decisions that he according to most people did not deserve. Tyson's fast hands would find their mark too often. Holyfield still had sharp, hard punches when he fought Tyson. Ali could not throw the punches that he used to be able to.

Now if it's a '74 or '75 Ali, he'd probably win. But in '77 he had lost a tremendous amount of his abilities and he lacked the fundamentals to for instance block a left hook.

After Tyson came out of prison, the Bruno destruction was his finest moment. He performed very well, and looked as close to the prime Tyson as possible considering he lost three years in jail. His timing was rather rusty against McNeely (95) and Mathias (95). He never looked shot throughout 1996, but he was not quite the same fighter as he was during the late 80's.

Balancing out all his performances which occured in 1996, Bruno, Seldon, and Holyfield, Im not mightly impressed. Especially taking into consideration who highly valued Bruno and Seldom were. Holyfield did perfom beyond expectations, thus exposing Tyson while doing so.

Ali had been through many tough fights up until 1977, so he'd not exactly be fazed with a rough tussle with Tyson. Clearly worn, but very experienced.

Ali via very close decision.

[prime]

Why put Ali through these scenarios? He would show up in better shape than he did for Shavers and win a decision.

[Cojimar 1945]

Holyfield had lost twice to the very limited Riddick Bowe who was thrashed twice by Andrew Golota who lost to Michael Grant. Criticizing Ali for having trouble with Shavers is fine but Holyfield's losses to Bowe also call into his question his ability.

[Robbi]

Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945

but Holyfield's losses to Bowe also call into his question his ability.

It also calls Tyson's defeat to Holyfield into question even more. Looking back in hindsight though, Holyfield over the years has been an up and down fighter, inconsistent.