George Foreman vs. Bruce Seldon in 1995

[KOTF]

Seldon was one of the mandatories for George (the other being WBA mandatory Tony Tucker), say George takes this fight instead of Schulz and defends both of his belts and doesn't get stripped. Who wins?

[mr. magoo]

Without even voting, I think the answer is obvious....

[Vantage_West]

seldon i think could do it. but the tyson/bowe/nobles travesty's are clear examples that if he was getting hurt or just in a place he didnt want to be. he just didnt want to know. and i think the same could happen against foreman. who even though a slow and hitable target was a pretty good pressure fighter and an imovable force with easily enough power to flatten seldon.

if seldon was going to try lineal championship status then this is his best chance. and i feel that he wouldnt make it. after some good hit and move for 4 or 5 rounds maybe. he stumbles on the end of a lean right cross and get dropped. which george swarms and gets him out of there.

[KOTF]

I'm wondering why George opted for an unknown in Schulz instead of a chinny mandatory in Seldon when he could have made the same amount of money and kept his belts in the process

[lefthook31]

Seldon did a number on an old Tony Tucker, he could easily do the same to old George. When the fight was on his terms he wasnt a bad fighter and had a very good snapping jab with a lot of movement, which Foreman wanted no part of. Foreman of course could land something big, but Seldon would probably be too quick for him at that time.

[lefthook31]

Originally Posted by KOTF

I'm wondering why George opted for an unknown in Schulz instead of a chinny mandatory in Seldon when he could have made the same amount of money and kept his belts in the process

Because of the promoters Bob Arum and Don King. King promoted Seldon and King was setting all the titles up for Tyson when he got out of prison. After George got stripped and vacated everything, you saw Bruno fighting Mcall, Botha fighting Moorer (after Moorer beat Shultz), and Seldon fighting Hipp. A big Don King affair. King signed anyone in the mix with the dangling carrot of a possible Tyson fight. That was probably the last time the stars aligned for King, because he went from losing total control to gaining it all back.
Things might have been different had Foreman defended against Shultz. He would have had to face Moorer or Botha and then a possible showdown with Tyson.

[anarci]

I think Seldon was a lot better than he gets credit for. In fact early on I thought he was the best Heavy wt prospect(well I was wrong obviously) but he did win a title and beat Tucker(aged but still decent) and Hipp limited but tuff fringe contender. Id say at first this looks like a mismatch with Seldon snapping that Jab and Using his speed to sweep the first 4or 5 rounds,But Foreman starts landing his heavy Jab and Seldon gets on his bike almost running from George. George while behind on the scorecards finally catches him and knocks out Seldon in 9.

[MRBILL]

Seldon could box better and was quicker than Foreman by far in '95, but Seldon was so wimpy about getting hit, I think Seldon would shy away and try to box Foreman from the outside with little luck....... Foreman walks down and pushes Seldon around for a 12 rd decision win......... Cheers...

SR.BILLARDO

[AnthonyJ74]

Originally Posted by lefthook31

Seldon did a number on an old Tony Tucker, he could easily do the same to old George. When the fight was on his terms he wasnt a bad fighter and had a very good snapping jab with a lot of movement, which Foreman wanted no part of. Foreman of course could land something big, but Seldon would probably be too quick for him at that time.

My thoughts exactly. Seldon was a good boxer, was fast, and had a good, snapping jab. He's the exact kind of fighter that George did not want to fight at that stage of the game. Seldon, more than likely, would have outboxed George and won a decision.

[MRBILL]

Tucker was seriously faded in 1995 against Seldon........ But Tucker was tall at 6' 5".... Seldon is shorter at 6' 2" tall........ Tucker only had a jab left after he dropped a decision to Lewis in '93..... I never was impressed with Tucker........ Tucker made his rep by beating "C" and "B" dudes.........

Foreman was too strong and too aggressive for Seldon....... Seldon would cave in under the heatwave of Foreman....... No doubt......

MR.BILL

[lefthook31]

Originally Posted by MRBILL

Tucker was seriously faded in 1995 against Seldon........ But Tucker was tall at 6' 5".... Seldon is shorter at 6' 2" tall........ Tucker only had a jab left after he dropped a decision to Lewis in '93..... I never was impressed with Tucker........ Tucker made his rep by beating "C" and "B" dudes.........

Foreman was too strong and too aggressive for Seldon....... Seldon would cave in under the heatwave of Foreman....... No doubt......

MR.BILL

I dont know George did pretty well in his comeback, but there was a fairly clear pattern of styles that gave him trouble. Even guys who could adapt to this particular style when fighting him had success and that was really due to his slowness.
If a fighter could box and move, it was really difficult for George to apply pressure to them, and he was going life and death and losing to fighters on the level of Seldon or below. He didnt want to fight Shultz again because he knew Shultz was aware of what kind of fight to bring to him.
When a fighter stood in front of him and engaged him, he was really effective with his jab and pressure and really showed the stamina of a young man when an opponent tried to outfight him, as was the case in the Savarese fight. George completely outfought Savarese, and in my mind was his most impressive comeback fight, but when it came to having to catch up to a fighter that was boxing and moving, George was always just a tad too slow to pull the trigger.
Being that Seldon was so aprehensive to get hit, I dont see him gaining the courage that Moorer got to stand in front of George and let him tee off on him, but I would give George his best chances late as well when Seldon began to slow down.

[PowerPuncher]

Seldon had some very nice skills, pity about his chin, he'd be outboxing Foreman for as long as the fight goes on but I have a feeling Foreman would catch up to Seldon. Then again Foreman didnt catch up to Morrison so Seldon may win an unlikely victory

[apollack]

Seldon embarrasses Foreman with his speed...until he gets hit and knocked out. And somewhere in there, early or late, George would land a good one. Foreman by KO.

[red cobra]

Foreman wins before the referee's instructions are over.

[RonnieHornschuh]

George Foreman struggled heavily against chinny Stewart, didn't knock out chinny Morrison and failed to knock out Grimsley. So it's thinkable that Seldon would outbox the slow Foreman.