Michael Dokes

Addie · 10-20-2009, 11:11 PM

Looking at the pre-fight footage of his fight with Razor Ruddock, I seem to think that Dokes was an extremely talented fighter before his drug addiction plagued his career. He had very fast hands for a Heavyweight, you can see that when he's working against Holyfield, the early days, and especially on the Heavy bag.

Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?

The Kurgan · 10-20-2009, 11:28 PM

It's probably an extreme view, but I think with the right trainer, the right trainer and the right management, he could have been the next Joe Louis. All the tools were there: amazing handspeed, excellent fundamental skills, combinations, punching power (early in his career) and excellent ring generalship. As you say, his essential problem was commitment, which aggravated his other more natural problems ie. poor stamina.

If you think this is overstated Dokes's ability, watch the end of the Gardner fight. That's a series of punches worthy of the Brown Bomber, which is saying a lot.

dabox · 10-21-2009, 12:25 AM

i just watched the fight with gardner and wow he was good,
damn so much potenial
and he such nice movies in the ring

sad, how it turned out

My2Sense · 10-21-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Addie

Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?

His main assets were great handspeed, good technical skills, and an iron chin. He never really was convincing as a champion, though. He won his title on one of the most controversial stoppages ever against Mike Weaver. See for yourself and decide:

They had a rematch, and this time Weaver survived Dokes' early onslaught and battled him to a draw, but that allowed Dokes to retain his title. After that, he defended his title against Coetzee and was heavily favored to win, but Coetzee overpowerd him and brutally KO'd him late. The outcome was The Ring's Upset of the Year. Here's that fight:

Personally, I'd say he was a good, solid fighter, but the Coetzee loss exposed some of his limitations.

zadfrak · 10-21-2009, 04:25 AM

When he got off his toes, he become a far less effective fighter.

Legend X · 10-21-2009, 07:30 AM

I think he was pretty messed up with cocaine addiction by the time he faced Coetzee. Looks like a guy who hasn't slept well for days in that fight.
He got clean around '87 and made a decent comeback, was looking very sharp against secon-raters but then lost that war with Holyfield, and he ended up back on the drugs and alcohol sometime as the 90s rolled in.

bladerunner · 10-21-2009, 07:34 AM

His fight with Holyfield is one of the best heavyweight fights ive ever seen.

Stevie G · 10-21-2009, 08:36 AM

Along with Greg page and Tim Witherspoon,he was one of those fighters that could have been placed alongside Tyson and Holmes as the heavyweights of the 80's. If those three had lived up to their potential.

turpinr · 10-21-2009, 09:03 AM

tim witherspoons hardest opponent was don fuckin' king

sweetsci · 10-21-2009, 12:36 PM

Yeah, Turpinr, Don F. King... He killed the goose - boxing - that laid the golden eggs. Look at what he had, especially in the 80's, with his heavyweight stable, his influence over sanctioning bodies, his power, his money & resources... King had so much influence. If he had run things right boxing would be huge today and guys like Dokes would be set for life. It's amazing how someone so successful - Don King - is also such a failure.

he grant · 10-21-2009, 06:03 PM

Drugs, conditioning and just not a big puncher ... Witherspoon had more ability and potential ...

TheGreatA · 10-21-2009, 06:31 PM

He was talented although I'd have to say that having watched his fight against Jimmy Young recently, I don't think he was that talented. Young, even a very out of shape Young as he was in this particular fight, could make anyone appear bad but he looked really bad. Dokes was in peak shape too while Young obviously was not.

dabox · 10-22-2009, 01:23 AM

no he was that talented....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1a2M6SIiz8[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_5F4_Gpgs&feature=related[/ame]

Addie · 10-22-2009, 01:27 AM

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no he was that talented....

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The fighter in that footage right there would easily be one of the best Heavyweights in the world right now. His handspeed was just unreal.

JohnThomas1 · 10-22-2009, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by he grant

Drugs, conditioning and just not a big puncher ... Witherspoon had more ability and potential ...

After he matured, planted his feet more and filled out Dokes IMO was a very underrated puncher.

10-20-2009, 11:11 PM	#1
Addie MAB. East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK, England Posts: 36,388 vCash: 842	Michael Dokes Looking at the pre-fight footage of his fight with Razor Ruddock, I seem to think that Dokes was an extremely talented fighter before his drug addiction plagued his career. He had very fast hands for a Heavyweight, you can see that when he's working against Holyfield, the early days, and especially on the Heavy bag. Can someone fill me in about Michael Dokes, what went wrong for this guy?
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10-20-2009, 11:28 PM	#2
The Kurgan Emeritus Status Barbarian East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 10,773 vCash: 628	Re: Michael Dokes It's probably an extreme view, but I think with the right trainer, the right trainer and the right management, he could have been the next Joe Louis. All the tools were there: amazing handspeed, excellent fundamental skills, combinations, punching power (early in his career) and excellent ring generalship. As you say, his essential problem was commitment, which aggravated his other more natural problems ie. poor stamina. If you think this is overstated Dokes's ability, watch the end of the Gardner fight. That's a series of punches worthy of the Brown Bomber, which is saying a lot.
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10-21-2009, 12:25 AM	#3
dabox Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 393 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes i just watched the fight with gardner and wow he was good, damn so much potenial and he such nice movies in the ring sad, how it turned out
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10-21-2009, 04:25 AM	#5
zadfrak Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,108 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes When he got off his toes, he become a far less effective fighter.
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10-21-2009, 07:30 AM	#6
Legend X Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,105 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes I think he was pretty messed up with cocaine addiction by the time he faced Coetzee. Looks like a guy who hasn't slept well for days in that fight. He got clean around '87 and made a decent comeback, was looking very sharp against secon-raters but then lost that war with Holyfield, and he ended up back on the drugs and alcohol sometime as the 90s rolled in.
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10-21-2009, 07:34 AM	#7
bladerunner El Intocable East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 20,328 vCash: 0	Re: Michael Dokes His fight with Holyfield is one of the best heavyweight fights ive ever seen.
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10-21-2009, 08:36 AM	#8
Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,623 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes Along with Greg page and Tim Witherspoon,he was one of those fighters that could have been placed alongside Tyson and Holmes as the heavyweights of the 80's. If those three had lived up to their potential.
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10-21-2009, 09:03 AM	#9
turpinr Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: lancashire Posts: 8,637 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes tim witherspoons hardest opponent was don fuckin' king
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10-21-2009, 12:36 PM	#10
sweetsci Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes Yeah, Turpinr, Don F. King... He killed the goose - boxing - that laid the golden eggs. Look at what he had, especially in the 80's, with his heavyweight stable, his influence over sanctioning bodies, his power, his money & resources... King had so much influence. If he had run things right boxing would be huge today and guys like Dokes would be set for life. It's amazing how someone so successful - Don King - is also such a failure.
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10-21-2009, 06:03 PM	#11
he grant Historian/Film Maker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,476 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes Drugs, conditioning and just not a big puncher ... Witherspoon had more ability and potential ...
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10-21-2009, 06:31 PM	#12
TheGreatA Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,116 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes He was talented although I'd have to say that having watched his fight against Jimmy Young recently, I don't think he was that talented. Young, even a very out of shape Young as he was in this particular fight, could make anyone appear bad but he looked really bad. Dokes was in peak shape too while Young obviously was not.
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10-22-2009, 01:23 AM	#13
dabox Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 393 vCash: 1000	Re: Michael Dokes no he was that talented.... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1a2M6SIiz8[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9_5F4_Gpgs&feature=related[/ame]
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