TO Lampley ESB system Flawed.

BoppaZoo · 09-21-2007, 03:43 AM

The only way i see it being fair is if you have allocated regions.

Otherwise you could or there could end up being 20 USA posters who vote out of say 25 on who the top 10 are.

I say the system is flawed and i have come up with a system so that will not happen.

i say you have

10 spots for USA posters
6 spots for UK posters
5 spots for Latin based posters (Mex,PR,Cuban etc)
3 spots for Aussie posters
3 spots for Asian posters (Phillipines,China etc)
3 spots for Euro posters (Anywhere but not UK-German etc)

Thats 30 spots and it is spaced out a bit more between countrys and that would make it a fairer more evenly judged ESB ranking system.

kg0208 · 09-21-2007, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoppaZoo

The only way i see it being fair is if you have allocated regions.

Otherwise you could or there could end up being 20 USA posters who vote out of say 25 on who the top 10 are.

I say the system is flawed and i have come up with a system so that will not happen.

i say you have

10 spots for USA posters
6 spots for UK posters
5 spots for Latin based posters (Mex,PR,Cuban etc)
3 spots for Aussie posters
3 spots for Asian posters (Phillipines,China etc)
3 spots for Euro posters (Anywhere but not UK-German etc)

Thats 30 spots and it is spaced out a bit more between countrys and that would make it a fairer more evenly judged ESB ranking system.

I think having knowledgeable posters who are unbiased are more important than where they come from.

Shouldn't matter where they are from IMO.

Do you suspect you will end up with a Pro US committee?

rendog67 · 09-21-2007, 03:59 AM

we should just wait and see i think there will hopefully be a good mix anyway

MSTR · 09-21-2007, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoppaZoo

The only way i see it being fair is if you have allocated regions.

Otherwise you could or there could end up being 20 USA posters who vote out of say 25 on who the top 10 are.

I say the system is flawed and i have come up with a system so that will not happen.

i say you have

10 spots for USA posters
6 spots for UK posters
5 spots for Latin based posters (Mex,PR,Cuban etc)
3 spots for Aussie posters
3 spots for Asian posters (Phillipines,China etc)
3 spots for Euro posters (Anywhere but not UK-German etc)

Thats 30 spots and it is spaced out a bit more between countrys and that would make it a fairer more evenly judged ESB ranking system.

I raised the same point, but there are problems with it, and considering most of the best guys on here are objective it shouldn't matter.

Still, I think diversity is a key, and it would be great to eventually get posters from all over the world, who may have better knowledge in other areas.

Tom_Tocca · 09-21-2007, 06:45 AM

I wonder why I haven't been voted into the committee...

boxbox · 09-21-2007, 07:26 AM

yep...just like how they mix judges

DanePugilist · 09-21-2007, 09:32 AM

There are pros and cons on each system. So far the Lampley system has shown that good posters have been rewarded, and not being nominated as friendly backpadding.

We have seen, what happens in the World Cup in football, when all regions HAVE to be represented; the quality suffers severely.

Nonetheless, good thinking Boppazoo, but the system seems to work for now.

Lampley · 09-21-2007, 10:31 AM

I think the issue with a quota system is that you'll have difficulty maintaining the ratios as the committee expands. Because it will be a growing entity, you'd have to crunch a bunch of numbers or take mediocre posters from area in order to allow great posters from another area entrance.

I've been very concerned about geographical representation, not so much because of bias, but simply based on exposure to the world's fighters that we may not get to see much in North America.

Your concerns are justified, but it seems most posters have kept this in mind and a few European posters are on their way to making the committee.

And thanks for the feedback!

He Hate Me · 09-21-2007, 10:38 AM

Ultimately no matter how much due diligence is put into the process people will object. Stay on course with the process and lets see where it goes.

Lampley · 09-21-2007, 10:42 AM

Amazing about so many Pinoys.

DanePugilist · 09-21-2007, 10:48 AM

I am amazed how few mexicans there are.

ChuckYoungblood · 09-21-2007, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampley

Amazing about so many Pinoys.

Yeah, but not surprising

Only 0,4% mexicans

ChuckYoungblood · 09-21-2007, 10:50 AM

damn, too fast, you are

Lampley · 09-21-2007, 11:03 AM

Yeah, you guys are right. I didn't even notice that initially.

sues2nd · 09-21-2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kg0208

I think having knowledgeable posters who are unbiased are more important than where they come from.

Shouldn't matter where they are from IMO.

Do you suspect you will end up with a Pro US committee?

I think most of the people in have proven to be fair and unbiased for the most part. I also think the most of the people knocking on the door are just fine as well in that regard.

09-21-2007, 03:43 AM	#1
BoppaZoo Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 7,794 vCash: 1132	TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. The only way i see it being fair is if you have allocated regions. Otherwise you could or there could end up being 20 USA posters who vote out of say 25 on who the top 10 are. I say the system is flawed and i have come up with a system so that will not happen. i say you have 10 spots for USA posters 6 spots for UK posters 5 spots for Latin based posters (Mex,PR,Cuban etc) 3 spots for Aussie posters 3 spots for Asian posters (Phillipines,China etc) 3 spots for Euro posters (Anywhere but not UK-German etc) Thats 30 spots and it is spaced out a bit more between countrys and that would make it a fairer more evenly judged ESB ranking system.
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09-21-2007, 03:59 AM	#3
rendog67 The firestarter ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: philadelphia museum of art Posts: 1,194 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. we should just wait and see i think there will hopefully be a good mix anyway
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09-21-2007, 06:45 AM	#5
Tom_Tocca The Provider ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,095 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. I wonder why I haven't been voted into the committee...
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09-21-2007, 07:26 AM	#6
boxbox Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,300 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. yep...just like how they mix judges
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09-21-2007, 09:32 AM	#7
DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,610 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. There are pros and cons on each system. So far the Lampley system has shown that good posters have been rewarded, and not being nominated as friendly backpadding. We have seen, what happens in the World Cup in football, when all regions HAVE to be represented; the quality suffers severely. Nonetheless, good thinking Boppazoo, but the system seems to work for now.
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09-21-2007, 10:31 AM	#8
Lampley Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 5,503 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. I think the issue with a quota system is that you'll have difficulty maintaining the ratios as the committee expands. Because it will be a growing entity, you'd have to crunch a bunch of numbers or take mediocre posters from area in order to allow great posters from another area entrance. I've been very concerned about geographical representation, not so much because of bias, but simply based on exposure to the world's fighters that we may not get to see much in North America. Your concerns are justified, but it seems most posters have kept this in mind and a few European posters are on their way to making the committee. And thanks for the feedback!
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09-21-2007, 10:38 AM	#9
He Hate Me Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 511 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. Ultimately no matter how much due diligence is put into the process people will object. Stay on course with the process and lets see where it goes. Last edited by Holmesjockstrap; 06-27-2006 at 04:57 PM.
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Lampley Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 5,503 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. Amazing about so many Pinoys.
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DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,610 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. I am amazed how few mexicans there are.
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ChuckYoungblood Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 439 vCash: 75	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. damn, too fast, you are
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Lampley Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 5,503 vCash: 1000	Re: TO Lampley ESB system Flawed. Yeah, you guys are right. I didn't even notice that initially.
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