Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993

KOTF · 10-30-2009, 02:41 AM

At WW. Vote

anarci · 10-30-2009, 03:17 AM

At jw id say that Chavez stops him late. At welter Chavez was not at his best however i think he pulls this out by a razor close decision. Mcgirt outboxes Chavez until the mid rounds until Chavez slows him down and pulls it out in the late rounds to edge out Buddy

bodhi · 10-30-2009, 05:23 AM

Like anarci said, JCC was not at his best at ww, so still very very good. McGirt was naturally bigger and a very good boxer. I go with Buddy edging Chavez in a very close decision. McGirt takes the first half of the fight, outboxing Chavez while Chavez will get to him the more the fight goes on. Would this one go over 15 it would be a TKO for Chavez but over 12 McGirt survives and rescues his early leat to a close UD/MD/SD.
Chavez was more or less a 15 round fighter and I think the 12 round llimit took away some of his efficiency. Great fighter!

anarci · 10-30-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Like anarci said, JCC was not at his best at ww, so still very very good. McGirt was naturally bigger and a very good boxer. I go with Buddy edging Chavez in a very close decision. McGirt takes the first half of the fight, outboxing Chavez while Chavez will get to him the more the fight goes on. Would this one go over 15 it would be a TKO for Chavez but over 12 McGirt survives and rescues his early leat to a close UD/MD/SD.
Chavez was more or less a 15 round fighter and I think the 12 round llimit took away some of his efficiency. Great fighter!

good post there would have been no controversy in the Taylor fight had it been schedueled for 15

Those were his best rounds and hed even have more kos had they gone 15 camacho would have been stopped to,his corner was ready to stop it.

Mantequilla · 10-30-2009, 01:28 PM

McGirt on his Brown form would do at least as much To chavez as Randall eventually did.

sweet_scientist · 10-30-2009, 10:09 PM

Are we to assume Chavez comes in at 142 and McGirt at 147? That's quite a big size advantage for Buddy. Even without the use of his left hook that he used to such good effect against Brown, McGirt might be a little too big for Chavez to impose himself on. Nevertheless Chavez's pressure would still be pretty hard to cope with and it would be a rather close fight, even if I would slightly favour McGirt in those circumstances. At a catchweight I lean towards Chavez.

KOTF · 10-30-2009, 10:14 PM

Yes McGirt can weigh in at the limit and Chavez weighs in whatever his best weight was for that weight class

anarci · 10-30-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mantequilla

McGirt on his Brown form would do at least as much To chavez as Randall eventually did.

Randall hit alot harder than Mcgirt.

sweet_scientist · 10-31-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by anarci

Randall hit alot harder than Mcgirt.

And McGirt boxed a lot better than Randall.

A 1991 Buddy easily takes a 1994 Chavez.

My2Sense · 10-31-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mantequilla

McGirt on his Brown form would do at least as much To chavez as Randall eventually did.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by anarci

Randall hit alot harder than Mcgirt.

Why do you say that? McGirt was famed for having a pretty good left hook at one time. He blasted out Howard Davis in a single round, and he had both Whitaker and Brown on the deck.

ricardoparker93 · 10-31-2009, 08:29 AM

Mcgirt takes this via descision. Chavez just wasnt Chavez at Welterweight.

anarci · 10-31-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

And McGirt boxed a lot better than Randall.

A 1991 Buddy easily takes a 1994 Chavez.

The post says 93 and Chavez still looked pretty good in dominating Haugen and Terrance ALi. Mcgirt might have been a better pure boxer than Randall,but Randall was good at everything Hit harder,better chin,and his boxing ability was still very good.Mcgirt had better defense.

anarci · 10-31-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by My2Sense

Agreed.

Why do you say that? McGirt was famed for having a pretty good left hook at one time. He blasted out Howard Davis in a single round, and he had both Whitaker and Brown on the deck.

Mcgirt was a good puncher at Jr welter but he never knocked out any one of note at Welterweight.Davis was past his prime and never had a good chin even in his prime. Watch these guys fight and you can tell the diffrence in power. Mcgirt would not be able to Hurt or stun Chavez with his best shots. Unlike Randall.

rekcutnevets · 10-31-2009, 08:56 AM

After wathing McGirt defeat Genaro Leon on USA's Tuesday Night Fights, It appeared as though Buddy's body was beginning to decline.

McGirt looked good in his next bout against Whitaker, but the lack of left hooks showed his shoulder was a problem. I am assuming this is the McGirt being suggested as Chavez' opponent.

McGirt looked solid at 147, but was not particularly powerful. Chavez' punch may appear stronger. Whitaker hit Chavez with a lot of clean punches, and made Chavez miss a lot. I don't think McGirt would be as successful.

Remember, this is when Chavez was undefeated, and people were watching to see if he would make it to 100 wins before losing. Pernell Whitaker found out how difficult it was to get an official decision win over Chavez at that time.

I think McGirt makes it interesting, would make Chavez reluctant to fight again at 147, but lose a competitive decision.

My2Sense · 10-31-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by anarci

Mcgirt was a good puncher at Jr welter but he never knocked out any one of note at Welterweight.

But you could say the same about Randall. At least McGirt showed he hit hard enough to drop some of the top WWs.

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McGirt by KO/TKO	0	0%
McGirt by decision	9	52.94%
Draw	0	0%
Chavez by KO/TKO	6	35.29%
Chavez by decision	2	11.76%
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anarci P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SAN GABRIEL VALLEY Posts: 18,229 vCash: 1000	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 At jw id say that Chavez stops him late. At welter Chavez was not at his best however i think he pulls this out by a razor close decision. Mcgirt outboxes Chavez until the mid rounds until Chavez slows him down and pulls it out in the late rounds to edge out Buddy
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bodhi So I can die easy ... East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21,759 vCash: 1337	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 Like anarci said, JCC was not at his best at ww, so still very very good. McGirt was naturally bigger and a very good boxer. I go with Buddy edging Chavez in a very close decision. McGirt takes the first half of the fight, outboxing Chavez while Chavez will get to him the more the fight goes on. Would this one go over 15 it would be a TKO for Chavez but over 12 McGirt survives and rescues his early leat to a close UD/MD/SD. Chavez was more or less a 15 round fighter and I think the 12 round llimit took away some of his efficiency. Great fighter!
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Mantequilla Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,495 vCash: 1000	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 McGirt on his Brown form would do at least as much To chavez as Randall eventually did.
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sweet_scientist Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,301 vCash: 1000	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 Are we to assume Chavez comes in at 142 and McGirt at 147? That's quite a big size advantage for Buddy. Even without the use of his left hook that he used to such good effect against Brown, McGirt might be a little too big for Chavez to impose himself on. Nevertheless Chavez's pressure would still be pretty hard to cope with and it would be a rather close fight, even if I would slightly favour McGirt in those circumstances. At a catchweight I lean towards Chavez.
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KOTF Bingooo East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Playa Vista, Los Angeles Posts: 7,680 vCash: 60874	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 Yes McGirt can weigh in at the limit and Chavez weighs in whatever his best weight was for that weight class
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rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,550 vCash: 1000	Re: Buddy McGirt vs. Julio Cesar Chavez in 1993 After wathing McGirt defeat Genaro Leon on USA's Tuesday Night Fights, It appeared as though Buddy's body was beginning to decline. McGirt looked good in his next bout against Whitaker, but the lack of left hooks showed his shoulder was a problem. I am assuming this is the McGirt being suggested as Chavez' opponent. McGirt looked solid at 147, but was not particularly powerful. Chavez' punch may appear stronger. Whitaker hit Chavez with a lot of clean punches, and made Chavez miss a lot. I don't think McGirt would be as successful. Remember, this is when Chavez was undefeated, and people were watching to see if he would make it to 100 wins before losing. Pernell Whitaker found out how difficult it was to get an official decision win over Chavez at that time. I think McGirt makes it interesting, would make Chavez reluctant to fight again at 147, but lose a competitive decision.
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