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Old 11-27-2009, 08:55 PM   #1
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Default Dick Tiger Or Wilfredo Benitez Who Was Greater?

Well? Who should be remembered as the greater fighter?
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:59 PM   #2
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Tiger, and in my opinion it is not even remotely close.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:34 PM   #3
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Given Tiger's superior resume and greater success above his best weight, and Gomez's series of embarrassing KO losses, I'd have to give Tiger the edge here.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:44 PM   #4
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Default Re: Dick Tiger Or Wilfredo Benitez Who Was Greater?

its Benitez not Gomez - i get them mixed up all the time aswell

im goign to think on this and get back here
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:38 PM   #5
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Tiger, and in my opinion it is not even remotely close.
Pretty much.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:23 PM   #6
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Tiger edges it for me too, because of greater success at higher weights. Still, I think its close.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:39 AM   #7
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Tiger...I think its reasonably close personally but not close enough I could see an argument for Wilfred.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:56 AM   #8
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Default Re: Dick Tiger Or Wilfredo Benitez Who Was Greater?

I would say Tiger. But it could have been different had Benitez been more serious. And better managed.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:50 AM   #9
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its Benitez not Gomez - i get them mixed up all the time aswell
Shit, I could've sworn it said Gomez.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:00 AM   #10
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Shit, I could've sworn it said Gomez.
Tiger or Gomez would make a much closer and more interesting debate I think.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:51 PM   #11
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Im going with Benitez. Tiger might have had the better resume but i also dont see Benitez losing to alot of the guys that Tiger lost too. Benitez in his prime only lost to ATG like Leonard and Hearns. Depends on your criteria for ranking ATG fighters.
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:50 PM   #12
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Im going with Benitez. Tiger might have had the better resume but i also dont see Benitez losing to alot of the guys that Tiger lost too. Benitez in his prime only lost to ATG like Leonard and Hearns. Depends on your criteria for ranking ATG fighters.
Tiger practically cleaned out a very good division whilst only losing razor thin (and sometimes contentious) decisions to master stylists like Giardello, Griffith and Archer in his prime, all of whom were all time great fighters themselves and bad stylistic foils to boot. All of his other losses came early and late in his career. Benitez had a couple of close scrapes against lesser men than the likes of Griffith if I remember rightly. And even if he was more 'naturally gifted', his own defensive style still proved relatively ineffective against Leonard and Hearns as much Tiger was slightly susceptible to movers. Ergo, certain styles could trouble him as much as certain ones could Tiger.

Throw into the pot that Tiger's win column absolutely buries Benitez's, and it's obvious who was greater in an overall sense, even if Benitez's final achievements didn't quite do justice to his extraordinary talents.
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Old 11-29-2009, 02:34 AM   #13
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Tiger might have had the better resume but i also dont see Benitez losing to alot of the guys that Tiger lost too.
Well, he arguably should've lost to Bruce Curry, who was basically just an exciting TV fighter, and also just scraped by with a draw against Harold Weston, just an OK contender. He also wasn't that far past his prime when he was blasted out in just two rounds by a post-Duran Davey Moore.
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Old 11-29-2009, 02:36 AM   #14
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He also wasn't that far past his prime when he was blasted out in just two rounds by a post-Duran Davey Moore.
Didn't he break his ankle when he fell and had to quit?
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:01 AM   #15
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Just watched it. Benitez was fighting on a broken ankle courtesy of the KD. Regardless he was shyte by this stage, it's obvious he's not seeing punches like he used to. Fighters like Benitez and Jones, who rely mostly on incredible athleticism and reflex to avoid punishment are pretty ugly once they hit the wall. They don't have solid fundamentals to fall back on and neither had the greatest jaw, Jones certainly not once he was past it.

Ali relied on reflex too but he had an incredible chin and other abilities that kept him competitive late career.

By this fight Benitez had a full career + behind him. 50 odd fights since he was just a kid and he was never very dedicated at the best of times. I don't think he put in a decent showing post Hearns.
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