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View Poll Results: Foreman or Liston?
Foreman, by KO/TKO 12 29.27%
Foreman, on pts 0 0%
Liston, by KO/TKO 23 56.10%
Liston, on pts 6 14.63%
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:32 AM   #16
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What physical advantages are you refering to? The weighed around the same, Liston was physically larger (bigger biceps, chest, fist etc.) and probably there would be very little difference in terms of reach, although on paper, Liston edges it.

I think you'll have to go a little deeper with your analysis than "Foreman was two inches taller".
Foreman was 1 of the strongest HWs ever if not the strongest - hence physical advantages. Its not all about size but how strong you for that size. Foreman had a much much better workrate and his punch speed is underrated. People don't talk about Foreman as a pressure fighter because of his power but hes a HW who would sometimes throw 90punches a round. Thats an insane workrate

I heard the sparing story, but it was sparing before Foremans prime (was he even a pro?) and you don't usually go all out in sparing anyway

This would be a war like Foreman had against Lyle or Frazier or the 1 Liston had against Williams. I think both hit the canvas but Foremans wins out as been the stronger more relentless slugger.
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:39 AM   #17
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Foreman was 1 of the strongest HWs ever if not the strongest - hence physical advantages. Its not all about size but how strong you for that size.
Quite right.

If you were putting together a top 5, strongest HW's, you could leave neither of these guys out. Some would say Liston was stronger than Foreman - I don't beleive in arguing about the shades of grey involved, but there isn't much in it. If Foreman is "the strongest HW ever", there is still very little to chose between him and Liston.

As far as functional strength goes, I'd suggest that Liston's superior balance may give him an edge.

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Foreman had a much much better workrate and his punch speed is underrated.
But he is most famous for punching himself out, bringing his ring generalship into question, and whilst I agree that the speed his fists travel over a given distance is underated, I should say that the difference in the width of his hardest punches and the width of Liston's hardest punches is the deciding factor.


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This would be a war like Foreman had against Lyle or Frazier or the 1 Liston had against Williams. I think both hit the canvas but Foremans wins out as been the stronger more relentless slugger.
I think in the fight you describe, Foreman probably would win. But I don't think that's the fight that Liston would fight or would have to fight.

He has a ram-rod jab and a target begging to be hit by it. It would be a huge factor in the fight, as would the settling of the strength argument.
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Neither, it's a draw. Why? Because this is only another poll designed to make Clay look good!
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:48 AM   #19
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Neither, it's a draw. Why? Because this is only another poll designed to make Clay look good!
It's hard to say who the more paranoid - Ali fans or Marciano fans.
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It's hard to say who the more paranoid - Ali fans or Marciano fans.
I'm not paranoid, but what I said remains true
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:51 AM   #21
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It's hard to say who the more paranoid - Ali fans or Marciano fans.
Joe Louis fans.


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Joe Louis fans.


I rate Louis ahead of both Marciano and Clay... believe it or not.
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Joe Louis fans.
We're to self assured for that Chris
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I rate Louis ahead of both Marciano and Clay... believe it or not.

Let's see your top 10 or 15 Rocco.
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Let's see your top 10 or 15 Rocco.
It was posted a while back... hasn't changed much. Use the search.
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Old 09-25-2007, 01:15 PM   #26
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Williams back then was big, Fast and hit hard...not the old shadow that fought Ali.
Chin...even
Teh Lousitown punch could well have been a KO, but there was no count...so the Liston had no idea what time it was.
Leotis Martin....caught an old man comming in...I lost money on that fight too....
Liston was at 209 for the second Ali fight untill it was delayed and came in at 215 which back in the when was a hell of a difference.
I do favor Liston....one of the best jabs of all time, with good skills and having fought a lot better comp. and had no problem of condition. How many rounds...10 or 15?
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:23 PM   #27
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I think Liston has the chin, jab and power to beat Foreman, probably late.
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Sonny Liston TKO8 George Foreman
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:55 PM   #29
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Watch both Cleveland Williams-Sonny Liston fights,watch the Ron Lyle George Forman fight.That is about as close to the Liston -Foreman matchup you will get.then,make your choice.I think Liston takes it.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #30
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I don't think Liston could stay behind his jab and box long enough to hold off Foreman, Liston would eventually open up and be drawn into a punching match, one that he would lose to Foremans superior power.
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