debunking the myth of louis being completely past it ...

keure · 11-20-2009, 07:10 PM

when he fought marciano.
First let me start by saying ali was the greatest heavy of all time, but i feel like marciano has grown very underapreciated/ undrrated over the years. I would place marciano as 4 or 5 on an all time heavys list, probably 4. That list being, 1. ali, 2. louis, 3. Dempsey, 4. Marciano, 5. johnson followed closely by the likes of foreman holyfield tyson lewis. However over the years people have become so quick to discredit marcianos achievements because they feel his best comp was past their prime when they fought. First of all if that was the case their is nothing he could do about it and secondly he did retire undefeated which with an amazing ko percentage which in terms of accomplishment still has not been matched. Lastly i rank louis ahead of marciano on my all time list because i take eveythiong in to account, his longevity his durability and his competition, howvever i feel marciano beats louis at any point in his carreer in terms of head to head competition. Marciano had dynamite in both fists and marathon runner stamina, they said that he would wake up in december and run 15 miles in the snow. I think even in louis's prime marcaino knocks him out cold while behind on the cards in a close fight. Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.

teeto · 11-20-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by keure

when he fought marciano.
First let me start by saying ali was the greatest heavy of all time, but i feel like marciano has grown very underapreciated/ undrrated over the years. I would place marciano as 4 or 5 on an all time heavys list, probably 4. That list being, 1. ali, 2. louis, 3. Dempsey, 4. Marciano, 5. johnson followed closely by the likes of foreman holyfield tyson lewis. However over the years people have become so quick to discredit marcianos achievements because they feel his best comp was past their prime when they fought. First of all if that was the case their is nothing he could do about it and secondly he did retire undefeated which with an amazing ko percentage which in terms of accomplishment still has not been matched. Lastly i rank louis ahead of marciano on my all time list because i take eveythiong in to account, his longevity his durability and his competition, howvever i feel marciano beats louis at any point in his carreer in terms of head to head competition. Marciano had dynamite in both fists and marathon runner stamina, they said that he would wake up in december and run 15 miles in the snow. I think even in louis's prime marcaino knocks him out cold while behind on the cards in a close fight. Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.

I reckon Marciano is one of the top heavies ever in terms of head to head, but you're going to catch a lot of shit for that post i think.

GazOC · 11-20-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by teeto

I reckon Marciano is one of the top heavies ever in terms of head to head, but you're going to catch a lot of shit for that post i think.

You'd be catching some of it off me if it wasn't gone midnight and I have to be up early to get to the game tomorrow!!!

teeto · 11-20-2009, 07:19 PM

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You'd be catching some of it off me if it wasn't gone midnight and I have to be up early to get to the game tomorrow!!!

Hahahaha, i'm not going mate but i'm watching at my nans. I really laughed out loud then.

My2Sense · 11-20-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keure

Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.

In that case, Louis must've been completely ruined after four years of INACTIVITY in the military and another two years inactive before fighting Charles.

teeto · 11-20-2009, 07:23 PM

It's began.

My2Sense · 11-20-2009, 07:24 PM

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It's began.

It's Ended.

teeto · 11-20-2009, 07:28 PM

TheGreatA · 11-20-2009, 07:29 PM

I have to say that Louis looked very beatable in his fight against Cesar Brion previously. He was not the Louis of old although he was still a capable fighter who went about even with Marciano until running out of stamina after 6 rounds.

Caponecartels · 11-20-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by My2Sense

It's Ended.

Damn.

Couldn't let the guy have have more fun huh?

MRBILL · 11-20-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keure

when he fought marciano.
First let me start by saying ali was the greatest heavy of all time, but i feel like marciano has grown very underapreciated/ undrrated over the years. I would place marciano as 4 or 5 on an all time heavys list, probably 4. That list being, 1. ali, 2. louis, 3. Dempsey, 4. Marciano, 5. johnson followed closely by the likes of foreman holyfield tyson lewis. However over the years people have become so quick to discredit marcianos achievements because they feel his best comp was past their prime when they fought. First of all if that was the case their is nothing he could do about it and secondly he did retire undefeated which with an amazing ko percentage which in terms of accomplishment still has not been matched. Lastly i rank louis ahead of marciano on my all time list because i take eveythiong in to account, his longevity his durability and his competition, howvever i feel marciano beats louis at any point in his carreer in terms of head to head competition. Marciano had dynamite in both fists and marathon runner stamina, they said that he would wake up in december and run 15 miles in the snow. I think even in louis's prime marcaino knocks him out cold while behind on the cards in a close fight. Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.

Dude,

Christ, split that notion up into a few graphs for cryin' out loud......... Geez.........

Joe Louis at age 37 in 1951 still had some zip and fight left in him.... Despite being KO'd by Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis would've hammered a lot of other mo-fo's on that night in Oct. of '51...... Louis could've carried on, but boxing and the promoters were different then......... Louis did the right thing by saving face and just retiring after the KO loss........

Then Louis comes back to wrestle....... That was horse-shit.... Louis was all fat and acting a fool just for being in debt to that goddamn Uncle Sam bastard......... Sad........

MR.BILL

Bill Butcher · 11-20-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keure

when he fought marciano.
First let me start by saying ali was the greatest heavy of all time, but i feel like marciano has grown very underapreciated/ undrrated over the years. I would place marciano as 4 or 5 on an all time heavys list, probably 4. That list being, 1. ali, 2. louis, 3. Dempsey, 4. Marciano, 5. johnson followed closely by the likes of foreman holyfield tyson lewis. However over the years people have become so quick to discredit marcianos achievements because they feel his best comp was past their prime when they fought. First of all if that was the case their is nothing he could do about it and secondly he did retire undefeated which with an amazing ko percentage which in terms of accomplishment still has not been matched. Lastly i rank louis ahead of marciano on my all time list because i take eveythiong in to account, his longevity his durability and his competition, howvever i feel marciano beats louis at any point in his carreer in terms of head to head competition. Marciano had dynamite in both fists and marathon runner stamina, they said that he would wake up in december and run 15 miles in the snow. I think even in louis's prime marcaino knocks him out cold while behind on the cards in a close fight. Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.

Louis was a shell of himself v Rocky, did you ever stop & think that Louis only managed to beat those contenders in the 1st place at that stage of his career BECAUSE he was so great in the 1st place ?

MrMarvel · 11-20-2009, 09:32 PM

Marciano was also lucky to meet Charles at the end of Ezzard's long career.

The Mongoose · 11-21-2009, 12:34 AM

Bullshit, Charles gave one of his all time best performances against Marciano in their first meeting. He foolishly took a more aggressive approach in the rematch and paid the price.

MrMarvel · 11-21-2009, 12:45 AM

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Bullshit, Charles gave one of his all time best performances against Marciano in their first meeting. He foolishly took a more aggressive approach in the rematch and paid the price.

I don't know why you say bulshit. Damn straight Charles gave Marciano a hell of a fight. Just imagine if Marciano had met Charles in Ezzard's prime! That was my point. Charles was not the same fighter when he faced Marciano.

Marciano and Charles were in different classes. Charles was the transcendent fighter. Marciano was a product of a notch in time.

11-20-2009, 07:10 PM	#1
keure Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 454 vCash: 1000	debunking the myth of louis being completely past it ... when he fought marciano. First let me start by saying ali was the greatest heavy of all time, but i feel like marciano has grown very underapreciated/ undrrated over the years. I would place marciano as 4 or 5 on an all time heavys list, probably 4. That list being, 1. ali, 2. louis, 3. Dempsey, 4. Marciano, 5. johnson followed closely by the likes of foreman holyfield tyson lewis. However over the years people have become so quick to discredit marcianos achievements because they feel his best comp was past their prime when they fought. First of all if that was the case their is nothing he could do about it and secondly he did retire undefeated which with an amazing ko percentage which in terms of accomplishment still has not been matched. Lastly i rank louis ahead of marciano on my all time list because i take eveythiong in to account, his longevity his durability and his competition, howvever i feel marciano beats louis at any point in his carreer in terms of head to head competition. Marciano had dynamite in both fists and marathon runner stamina, they said that he would wake up in december and run 15 miles in the snow. I think even in louis's prime marcaino knocks him out cold while behind on the cards in a close fight. Lastly when marciano fought louis, louis was not as past it as most louis fans would like you to believe, louis was 37, look at vitali klit at nearly 39 and what george foreman and bhop are and were able to do in their mid 40's, but more than just the age it was his activity, activity is a fighters best friend, and louis fought 8 times in the 11 months prior to the marciano fight beating the likes of jimmy bivins and cesar brion( 79 -20, and 29-3 respectively) so he wasnt really that past it after all i mean 8 victories in 10 months , 2 over very good comp, the myth of him being completely past it was created to protect his image and rightfully so. Louis was an amzing champion, who is deservingly one of the 3 greatest heavys of all time, but he really wasnt that past it when he got knocked out against marciano, and the result would have occured at any point in his career.
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11-20-2009, 07:23 PM	#6
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teeto Next Level Predictions East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Team Ireland Manor, Easing Pabuiao into the life of managing the GOAT Posts: 33,956 vCash: 1000	Re: debunking the myth of louis being completely past it ...
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TheGreatA Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,116 vCash: 1000	Re: debunking the myth of louis being completely past it ... I have to say that Louis looked very beatable in his fight against Cesar Brion previously. He was not the Louis of old although he was still a capable fighter who went about even with Marciano until running out of stamina after 6 rounds.
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11-21-2009, 12:34 AM	#14
The Mongoose THROW SOME THUNDAAAH!!!! East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 5,273 vCash: 75	Re: debunking the myth of louis being completely past it ... Bullshit, Charles gave one of his all time best performances against Marciano in their first meeting. He foolishly took a more aggressive approach in the rematch and paid the price.
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