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Old 01-10-2010, 10:05 AM   #136
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Watched some fights which didn't have much need to score:

Mark Breland TKO6 John Mundunga (had it 5-0 Breland until the stoppage)

Alfonso Zamoro KO2 Eusebio Pedroza - Brutal KO. Zamora looked really good but Pedroza was very green. He ultimately learned to tuck that chin and went on to greatness.

Bennie Briscoe KO1 Eugene Hart - Hart started throwing huge shots but quickly came apart like a poorly wrapped burrito when Bennie replied.

Eugene Hart TKO1 Stanley Heyward. Dude could punch.

Juan Laporte KO2 Rocky Lockridge. Laporte was just teeing off, throwing huge punches from the start. Lockridge obviously needed to fight a different fight. Angelo Dundee on the telecast said several times that Lockridge needed to quit exchanging with Laporte. It occurred to me on this viewing that Laporte was just all wrong for Lockridge, kind of a featherweight version of Foreman-Frazier.
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:48 PM   #137
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For what it's worth my Pintor-Murata card:

Lupe Pintor vs. Eijiro Murata: 143-142 Pintor
Murata: 1,4,6,9,11, 12 and 15.
Pintor: 2,3,7,8,10,13 and 14 ( 10-8 ).
Round 5 even.

It's quite different from yours G, but I did feel when watching it that there were lots of contentious rounds, so that you have it quite different to me is not really a shock.

Murata is a very underrated fighter. Gave Jeff Chandler a good stoush too. Arguably he beat both Pintor and Chandler, and yet you don't hear much about him.

Kind of a more rough around the edges version of Chang he was....


And my Monzon-Griffith II card:

Carlos Monzon vs. Emile Griffith II: 145:142 Monzon
Griffith: 2,7,9,10 and 11
Monzon: 1,3,4,5,6,12,13 and 14
Rounds 8 and 15 even.

AWFUL, AWFUL fight.
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:23 PM   #138
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Leonard - Benitez

Had it 10-4 SRL going into the 15th. Good Lord was the 15th tremendous, Ray could have gotten on his bike and popped the jab, which essentially won him the fight anyhow, and instead he goes toe to toe and starts trading bombs. Benitez starts turning the tide on the inside, landing some monster left hooks, and then right when you think it's time for Ray to get the hell out of Dodge, he drops Benitez with a left hook of his own. Shouldn't really have been stopped, but it obviously had no bearing on the outcome.

Not really a great fight IMO but the 15th was definitely a great round.
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:35 PM   #139
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For what it's worth my Pintor-Murata card:

Lupe Pintor vs. Eijiro Murata: 143-142 Pintor
Murata: 1,4,6,9,11, 12 and 15.
Pintor: 2,3,7,8,10,13 and 14 ( 10-8 ).
Round 5 even.

It's quite different from yours G, but I did feel when watching it that there were lots of contentious rounds, so that you have it quite different to me is not really a shock.

Murata is a very underrated fighter. Gave Jeff Chandler a good stoush too. Arguably he beat both Pintor and Chandler, and yet you don't hear much about him.

Kind of a more rough around the edges version of Chang he was....
Murata I thought wa smore of a traditional boxer than Chang, although some similarities.

It was a close fight I thought Pintor did better when the pace slowed and Murata kept a pretty good pace. Very underrated figher IMo goign to keep my eyes open for him.

What did you think of the fight?

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Yes Greg, I've seen this fight. I also had Murata taking it, though I recall having it pretty close. Felt like Pintor came on strong at the end but too late.
I thought a closer card could be in order, how good did you think the fight was?
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:17 PM   #140
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Watched Jones' amateur career and first few pro fights. Couple of Golden Gloves finals, plus the Olympics including the Sun robbery. Looked very impressive if a bit wild. I don't know how much Roy really improved as he went through his early fights, because his raw skills were so good that they generally just overwhelmed his totally over-matched opposition.
The crazy thing with hindsight is that outside of Castro, he hadn't fought anybody to seriously prepare him for Hopkins. But he had the common sense and intuition to shorten his punches considerably in this fight. They really were both very green at this point, it's a shame given what they went on to be that they could never get past 60/ 40 (or Danny Green).

I think the biggest progression Roy made concerning his style was the development of his strength, which made his raw power ridiculous, which led to his willingness to cover up on the ropes and counter against pressure. I think if Roy of the early 90s had run into Bryant Brannon, it might have looked like a track meet for a few rounds.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:28 PM   #141
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Murata I thought wa smore of a traditional boxer than Chang, although some similarities.

It was a close fight I thought Pintor did better when the pace slowed and Murata kept a pretty good pace. Very underrated figher IMo goign to keep my eyes open for him.

What did you think of the fight?



I thought a closer card could be in order, how good did you think the fight was?
I thought it was a really good fight. As Sweet_Scientist said, Murata is a bit underrated. He gave Chandler 2 really good goes (with the 3rd being a bit underrated). I haven't watched the Chandler-Murata fights recently but my recollection is that Pintor-Murata was a little better styles mesh and therefore a more entertaining fight. Close fight but must've been tough to swallow for Murata not to get that decision in his home country.
I seem to recall back in the day that Pintor with his WBC (Mexican) alignment and Pedroza with his WBA (Panama) alignment always got AT LEAST a fair shake on the scorecards. Not to suggest that the Pintor - Murata draw was a robbery.
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I thought it was a really good fight. As Sweet_Scientist said, Murata is a bit underrated. He gave Chandler 2 really good goes (with the 3rd being a bit underrated). I haven't watched the Chandler-Murata fights recently but my recollection is that Pintor-Murata was a little better styles mesh and therefore a more entertaining fight. Close fight but must've been tough to swallow for Murata not to get that decision in his home country.
I seem to recall back in the day that Pintor with his WBC (Mexican) alignment and Pedroza with his WBA (Panama) alignment always got AT LEAST a fair shake on the scorecards. Not to suggest that the Pintor - Murata draw was a robbery.
Meant to say with the 3rd fight being a bit onesided.
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I thought it was a really good fight. As Sweet_Scientist said, Murata is a bit underrated. He gave Chandler 2 really good goes (with the 3rd being a bit underrated). I haven't watched the Chandler-Murata fights recently but my recollection is that Pintor-Murata was a little better styles mesh and therefore a more entertaining fight. Close fight but must've been tough to swallow for Murata not to get that decision in his home country.
I seem to recall back in the day that Pintor with his WBC (Mexican) alignment and Pedroza with his WBA (Panama) alignment always got AT LEAST a fair shake on the scorecards. Not to suggest that the Pintor - Murata draw was a robbery.
Ill have to scout them out.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:11 AM   #144
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Murata I thought wa smore of a traditional boxer than Chang, although some similarities.

It was a close fight I thought Pintor did better when the pace slowed and Murata kept a pretty good pace. Very underrated figher IMo goign to keep my eyes open for him.

What did you think of the fight?
Wholeheartedly agree with natonic. The Pintor fight was an excellent scrap but the Chandler fights are a bit more messy (punch and grab mauling is quite frequent). I think one of the Chandler fights is on youtube, check it out when you get the time and report back
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JC Chavez W12 Rocky Lockridge. I had it 9-3 for Chavez although it was a very entertaining fight. Much credit to Lockridge. He took some heavy shots and a body attack that would've stopped lesser men. Lockridge's ever pressing style brought out the best in Chavez. Underrated boxer and underrated defensively.

The telecast claimed that Chavez suffered a DQ loss early in his career. I've seen this fight before but didn't remember this.
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:29 PM   #146
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Jeff Fenech TKO5 Tyrone Downs. Crazy fight. I gave Downs the 1st, 2nd round even. All Fenech the rest of the way. He just overwhelmed Downs. Fenech wasn't real sharp to start but got it going after a couple rounds. Downs was down 4 times.
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Lewis - Mercer

Cant remember the exact rounds but I had it pretty much even and felt the last round was a decider. Mercer deserved it a bit more but I felt it could of went either way.

Bad commentating.

Also saw Holyfield Vs Bobby Czyz

Same deal with the commentating. I had bobby winning the 1 & 3. Unusual that he stopped the fight as he was landing a lot more shots than Holyfield despite his serious size/power disadvantages. Much respect to Bobby for what he did in there before quitting, Holyfield was just leaning on him though.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:58 PM   #148
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Just watched Corrales v. Clottey.

I had it 100-89, but that was with two tied rounds which really could have gone either way (So 98-91, or 100-87 at the extremes). The ringside judges had it 97-90, 98-89 and 100-87. Clottey just got the edge in a couple as well, but overall was definitely the more effective fighter.

It was one of those fights where the lop-sidedness of the scores doesn't really reflect the efforts of the beaten fighter. It was 97% of the way to being as absorbing as the Corrales-Castillo war. Corrales had real heart.
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Old 01-16-2010, 08:15 AM   #149
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Roberto Duran KO 14 Ray Lampkin - Really good fight. Lampkin fought a great fight and gave Duran all he could handle. I did have Duran ahead 7-5-1 at the time of the stoppage. This is the only footage I have of Lampkin who is a very skilled fighter. Kind of reminds me of a more combative Bernard Taylor. But the Hands of Stone wore him down and the KO was brutal. Lampkin was briefly hospitalized with a severre concussion and suspended from fighting for 6 months. He probably should've called it a career after this fight.

Baby Sugar Rojas W12 Alfonso Lopez II. Had this 8-4 for Rojas. His size presented major problems for Lopez. Rojas was a good fighter who doesn't get much love on ESB. He beat some good fighters (Ballas and Laciar as I recall). He couldn't get past Gilberto Roman twice and it was kind of down hill from there.
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Hilario Zapata vs Suichi Hozumi

This was an excellant wee fight. Both guys looked to trade with Zapata more sharp shooting and Hozumi looking to land big shots. Zapata however was excellant in his fluid defence and offence as he countered Hozumi in the middle of his own combinations. Was a pure delight to watch. The bout was also competitive early but soon Zapata ran away with it and dropped Hozumi with a well placed counter in the 13th before continuing his domination to win on points, although he had Hozumi hurt frequently with long lefts.

Zapata: 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15
Hozumi:5 KD'd 13
Total: 149-135 Zapata (14-1)

Zapata UD15 Hozumi


Gennaro Hernandez vs Jimmy Garcia

First part of the amazing Carbajal vs Gonzalez 3 card by Don King in Mexico. Garcia early looked pretty handy as he showed some good moves and fast hands, however Hernandez landed classy combinations from long range and beat Garcia to the punch. Pretty much the same throughout the fight although a long right dropped Garcia in the 3rd and Garcia lost a point in the 6th for a second deliberate head butt.

Hernandez: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Garcia:
8,11,12 KD'd 3 1P.D 6
Total: 117-109 Hernandez (9-3)

Hernandez UD12 Garcia

Terry Norris vs Luis Santana

Second part of the amazing Carbajal vs Gonzalez 3 card by Don King in Mexico. Santana really showed a good chin early on as Norris basically hit him at will. A long sweeping left by Santana hurt Norris in the 3rd and Norris grabbed Santana and Norris was pushed to the ground and the ref wrongly ruled a knockdown. After that Santana took more of a battering and in the 4th Norris lost a point for head butting. The fifth Santana took more leather but when tangled on the ropes Norris landed a hard left hook on the back of his head and dropped him hard. Santana lay on the floor blinking madly while the doctor, referee and Suliman decided what the result was instead of helping Santana as Ferdie Pacheco shouted for help for Santana. Absoloute disgrace.

Norris: 1,2,3*,4^ KD'd 3 1P.D 4
Santana:3*,4^
Total: 29-37 Norris (2-0-2)

* 10-10 round
^ 9-9 round

Santana DQ4 Norris


Ricardo Lopez vs Javier Varguez

Excellant display by Lopez as he boxed and moved superbly peppering the determined Varguez as he came inside with hard combinations, only critisism is that Lopez let varguez get inside too much. Lopez's combinations were class throughout and one in particular was amazing as Lopez turned southpaw and landed a jab, right uppercut and a right hook in series. Lopez's right hand and left hook never seemed to miss and Varguez had some chin to remain upright. After a prolonged beating a 1-2 followed by a right hand - left hook combo ended matters.

Lopez: 1,2,3,4,5*,6,7*
Varguez:
Total:
70-61 Lopez (8-0)

* 10-8 rounds

Lopez TKO8 Varguez

Humberto Gonzalez vs Michael Carbajal III
The main event of the card. Early on Gonzalez just moved around and looked for sneaky lead lefts and right hooks but Carbajal's jab and straight right's seemed to be the better shots. Carbajal's left hooks looked pretty good as he digged them into the body early.
In the 6th Gonzalez looked for more combinations and the fight changed dynamic but stayed tight although Gonzalez after the 7th took over (for me) as Carbajal seemed to coast more and let Gonzalez get off first.

Be interesting to see other scorecards.

Gonzalez: 4,8,9,10,11,12
Carbajal: 1,2,3,5,6,7
Total: 114-114 Draw (6-6)

Gonzalez MD12 Carbajal


Sandy Saddler vs Flash Elorde

A good fight here. Elorde looked to move around and land fast combinations and kept very busy. Whereas Saddler looked to stalk and get inside. The bout followed this pattern the whole way through. Elorde landed some really classy combinations at times mainly revolving round his straight left. Although his inexperianced allowed him to get caught up. I felt Saddler did better when he winged from the outside and then looked to get inside (like in the 5th) as opposed to just trying to get inside as he did early. Surprisingly Elorde shook up Saddler afew times with hard fast combinations. A cut suffered by Elorde got progressivly worse by Saddler's right hands and his head until the bout was stopped after 2 earlier inspections in the 13th round. Very unfortunate for Elorde, although Saddler was starting to come on, and it was a good interesting tactivcal match up, although Saddler is horrible to watch.

Saddler: 2,5,10,11,12
Elorde: 1,3,4,6,7,8,9
Total: 115-113 Elorde (7-5)

Saddler TKO(Cuts)13 Elorde
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