the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Legra´s resume is not great....this is fair to say.....but in my opinion his H2H ability is close to MAB, and even close to Pac at that weight.......and clearly better than Jhon, Norwood or Gainer......

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Legra´s resume is not great....this is fair to say.....but in my opinion his H2H ability is close to MAB, and even close to Pac at that weight.......and clearly better than Jhon, Norwood or Gainer......

Straight up, I think pac is the best name across all 3 resumes there.

Anyways, I'm not arguing that jmm has a better feather resume than those, I'm saying I think the distance between them isn't huge.

[Flea Man]

You haven't highlighted Zurita or Casanova?

As a featherweight Pac' was not as good as some of those guys IMO.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

You haven't highlighted Zurita or Casanova?

As a featherweight Pac' was not as good as some of those guys IMO.

Bold was HOF, Underline was Premiere fighter, Italic was top 5 ranked at the time of the fight. Those were neither.

You could well be right on that and he certainly made massive improvements after the first marquez fight.

[lufcrazy]

Back to my list.

Just watched Benvenuti stop Rodriguez (any better footage of benvenuti out there?)

He fights very good but he seemd fairly easy to tag, his jab, whilst good wasn't spectacular. His ko shot was brilliant and he'd landed that left hook all fight long.

I think I'm trying to say he looked solid bu unspectacular. Comparable in terms of tier to Basilio IMO. to an untrained eye like mine, they also look similar at times jabbiong and spoiling but with great power hidden in a not great ko percentage.

ali (vs terrell) [A]
armstrong (vs ross) [A]
arguello (vs kobayashi) [b]
benitez (vs cerantes) [b]
angott (vs zivic) [C]
basilio (vs de marco) [D]
benvenuti (vs rodriguez) [D]
apostoli (vs steele) [D]

Does my grading seem fair there? scrap fair because this is all highly subjective, does it seem outrageous or reasonable?

[Flea Man]

Maybe because Rodriguez is truly one of the greatest fighters of all time? I've never been particularly impressed with Benvenuti, one handed, and easy to tag, some subtle nuances to set up his left but getting twatted by Emile Groffith (one punch) And inconsistency mark him down.

The win over Rodriguez, a lock for my top 25, is serious stuff though.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Bold was HOF, Underline was Premiere fighter, Italic was top 5 ranked at the time of the fight. Those were neither.

You could well be right on that and he certainly made massive improvements after the first marquez fight.

Fair enough. I think Pacqiuao became better once he stopped cutting weight.

[GPater11093]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Back to my list.

Just watched Benvenuti stop Rodriguez (any better footage of benvenuti out there?)

He fights very good but he seemd fairly easy to tag, his jab, whilst good wasn't spectacular. His ko shot was brilliant and he'd landed that left hook all fight long.

I think I'm trying to say he looked solid bu unspectacular. Comparable in terms of tier to Basilio IMO. to an untrained eye like mine, they also look similar at times jabbiong and spoiling but with great power hidden in a not great ko percentage.

ali (vs terrell) [A]
armstrong (vs ross) [A]
arguello (vs kobayashi) [b]
benitez (vs cerantes) [b]
angott (vs zivic) [C]
basilio (vs de marco) [D]
benvenuti (vs rodriguez) [D]
apostoli (vs steele) [D]

Does my grading seem fair there? scrap fair because this is all highly subjective, does it seem outrageous or reasonable?

You gradingthe quality of the fights?

ecause if you are that is ludicrous.


Also on Benvenuti he sort of reminds me of Minter in that he dosent look good ut he gets stuff done. Also how ig is he for a formerLMW< guys huge fora Middleweight anyway.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Maybe because Rodriguez is truly one of the greatest fighters of all time? I've never been particularly impressed with Benvenuti, one handed, and easy to tag, some subtle nuances to set up his left but getting twatted by Emile Groffith (one punch) And inconsistency mark him down.

The win over Rodriguez, a lock for my top 25, is serious stuff though.

Could be, does he look better against mazzinghi than he did against lmr? Hard to say.

Some top names on his resume for sure. Just doesn't look top tier on film to me. Seems a lever below the likes of benitez and arguello.

It'll be interesting when I get to lmr, nailing down his peak performance is something I look forward to!

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by GPater11093

You gradingthe quality of the fights?

ecause if you are that is ludicrous.


Also on Benvenuti he sort of reminds me of Minter in that he dosent look good ut he gets stuff done. Also how ig is he for a formerLMW< guys huge fora Middleweight anyway.

No, the quality of the victor's skillset in the fight.

I'm not ranking the fights in greatness, not even the fighters in greatness.

Just ranking how good the fighter's look in their peak performance.

[Flea Man]

Some fighters just aren't as aesthetically pleasing as others, as Greg said.

[Flea Man]

And ain't seen either of Nino's fights with Benvenuti.

Seen some of two of his fights with Griffith, all the Rodriguez fights and both fights with Monzon. EDIT: And losing to a probably cancer-ridden Dick Tigerz

[Flea Man]

Tigerz was a typo but I'm keeping it in. Sounds like a kids soft toy, and with a smile like that, probably could be.

[lufcrazy]

You stoned again lol?

Yeah I agree that some guys don't look good on film. Some guys don't have a good resume despite looking very good. Some guys never hit the top despite looking good on film and having a good resume.

I like to judge fighters on a mixture of the 3.

H2h is too subjective for me to be comfortable, seeing how effective a man was on his best night is much more reasonable to judge.

[Flea Man]

No I'm not stoned for the first time in over a year! Don't risk it out here mate!