the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[natonic]

Ken Buchanan W10 Frankie Otero

Buchanan 1,3,5,6,7(10-,8,9,10
Otero 2,4

I had it even after 4 rounds then gave Buchanan the last 6 rounds (two point difference in the 7th with a knockdown). Otero looked pretty good in the first 4 rounds but Buchanan's superior motor took over from there. Buchanan set a high pace and Otero couldn't maintain his sharpness throughout the fight like Ken did. Buchanan's weight was reported as 132 1/4. I thought he looked damn good this light and could've made a hellacious 130lber.
Otero reminded me of Johnny "Dancing Machine" Carter (Carter specifically against Jeff Chandler and Oscar Muniz) in that he looked like a world beater for 3 or 4 rounds but could not remain sharp at pace and didn't seem to have the guile to change or dictate the tempo of the fight.

[natonic]

Wilfredo Benitez vs Bruce Curry I

Benitez 2,7,8,10
Curry 1,4,5,6,9

3rd even - Benitez was carrying the round then badly hurt at the end.

I had it 96-92 Curry but unfortunately the scoring was just by rounds.

What was up with Benitez? he looked terrible. Any back story to this one? Maybe Benitez trained two days or had 3 whores in his room the night before? Credit to Curry but he wasn't in Benitez's league.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by natonic

Wilfredo Benitez vs Bruce Curry I

Benitez 2,7,8,10
Curry 1,4,5,6,9

3rd even - Benitez was carrying the round then badly hurt at the end.

I had it 96-92 Curry but unfortunately the scoring was just by rounds.

What was up with Benitez? he looked terrible. Any back story to this one? Maybe Benitez trained two days or had 3 whores in his room the night before? Credit to Curry but he wasn't in Benitez's league.

y did he also beat him in d rematch then ?

[lufcrazy]

Elorde vs Rivas 2.

Nice patient performance by elorde. His left is like a lazer and it'd be great seeing him vs pacman at sfw with the battle of the southpaw lefts.

hard to be overly thrilled considering the quality of the opponent and the way in which he lost twice to ortiz.

but still, it was good imo.

[El Bujia]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

hard to be overly thrilled considering the quality of the opponent and the way in which he lost twice to ortiz.

Ortiz was a big Lightweight, Elorde a natural 130 pounder. I don't think I'd hold it against him all that much considering Ortiz's greatness.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Wow...what a great new avatar El Bujia

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by El Bujia

Ortiz was a big Lightweight, Elorde a natural 130 pounder. I don't think I'd hold it against him all that much considering Ortiz's greatness.

I'm not holding it against him.

I started the post about 6 hours and then left the house and just returned and submitted it.

What I'm saying is that of the prime footage we have of Elorde, there's him beating this guy and losing to Ortiz. There's not much to thrill over because this guy wasn't that good and Ortiz beat him.

I'm basically saying that I assume he's better than the available footage indicates but it's hard to say.

[El Bujia]

There's footage of him against Saddler as well. He was winning that fight prior to the cuts stoppage. I forget which one it was and it's been a while since I've watched it, but he was ahead on all cards and was definitely doing the better offensive work. Until Saddler got his dirty paws on him, anyway.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by El Bujia

There's footage of him against Saddler as well. He was winning that fight prior to the cuts stoppage. I forget which one it was and it's been a while since I've watched it, but he was ahead on all cards and was definitely doing the better offensive work. Until Saddler got his dirty paws on him, anyway.

Yeah I know that one but it's decidedly before Elorde's prime imo.

60-67 seems to have been his best years.

[El Bujia]

Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Wow...what a great new avatar El Bujia

[Kalasinn]

Originally Posted by El Bujia

I would.


Ball so hard.

[lufcrazy]

Fenech v Payakaroon

Really good display by Jeff. He walked into a few too many shots for my liking but overall it's a really good display or wearing your opponent down, even one who ran as much as payakaroon did.

When I read the fight description of the ko I was fearing some bs stoppage and so was relieved when I saw payak crumble in a heap under a relentless assualt (that makes me sound a bit weird )

impressive. Not as defensively sound as an armstrong or even a chavez but really good none the less.



Foreman v Frazier

well what can you say about this eh? Probably the best victory in HW history all things considered. Such a burtal destruction of a primed HW ATG. Phenomenal.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Yeah I know that one but it's decidedly before Elorde's prime imo.

60-67 seems to have been his best years.

Considering he'd just beaten Saddler, and came down from fly/bantam, I wouldn't say it's out of the question that, considering he looked good until cut, that the Saddler footage may well be the best Elorde you'll get, despite him being at his consensus peak at 130

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Fenech v Payakaroon

Really good display by Jeff. He walked into a few too many shots for my liking but overall it's a really good display or wearing your opponent down, even one who ran as much as payakaroon did.

When I read the fight description of the ko I was fearing some bs stoppage and so was relieved when I saw payak crumble in a heap under a relentless assualt (that makes me sound a bit weird ) One of the most brutal drubbings I've seen. First time Samart was stopped, and he took it like a man, fleeing into the monastery and 'retirement' for fear of death afterwards!

impressive. Not as defensively sound as an armstrong or even a chavez but really good none the less.

Considering he was in with one of the greatest fighters of all time and a defensive genius, I'd say Fenech's display is one of the most impressive I've seen. Of course, Samart was one of the most weight-drained fighters ever that night


Foreman v Frazier

well what can you say about this eh? Probably the best victory in HW history all things considered. Such a burtal destruction of a primed HW ATG. Phenomenal.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Considering he'd just beaten Saddler, and came down from fly/bantam, I wouldn't say it's out of the question that, considering he looked good until cut, that the Saddler footage may well be the best Elorde you'll get, despite him being at his consensus peak at 130

Do you think he looks better there than against rivas?

Yeah don't get me wrong it's very impressive. Just not as much as armstrong v ross nor chavez v rosario.

[Flea Man]

You know me, I value opposition over aesthetic quality when assessing attributes

He certainly looks less troubled against Rivas