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Old 06-17-2012, 04:51 AM   #2176
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The Thrilla in Manila was on last night. Great fight.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:51 AM   #2177
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Chan-Hee Park vs Shoji Oguma 2

Interesting technical fight.

Much closer than their third meeting.

Good counter punching on both sides, you can see both fighters thinking in there.

It was surprising to see that it was Park who played the role of aggressor for almost entire fight as Oguma prefered to stay in the counter punching mode.

Park faded dramatically after the 10th round - sloppy weak punches, low guard - all signs of a tired fighter.

I haven't seen his fights against Canto - was stamina always the big issue with talented underachiever Park?

It seemed like if Oguma came forward and pressed the action like he did in the 3rd fight Park would crumble again in the latter parts of the fight.
I'm not sure if Oguma could have done that though as he himself faded in the last 2 rounds and offered very little offense in return to Park's sloppy attack.

And contrary to the third fight Park tried his best even in the last round.

Personally I think Park edged the decision in the last 2 rounds.

But it's a close fight and I wouldn't call the official decision an outright robbery.

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Old 06-18-2012, 07:03 AM   #2178
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I also had Park beating Oguma in their second fight.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:24 PM   #2179
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Duran vs Whitaker = Chang vs Zapata
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:30 PM   #2180
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Baer 5 rds vs Braddock 10 rds pretty one sided surprisingly
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58-56 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. over Andy Lee.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:50 AM   #2182
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Here is the fights I have scored over the last several months. Let me know what you think of my scores. If you disagree with any, or believe me to be crazy/blind, or blind & crazy..lets discuss;

1. MAX SCHMELING 145 | JACK SHARKEY 140
2. JOE FRAZIER 95 | OSCAR BONAVENA 93
3. JOE FRAZIER vs MUHAMMAD ALI I 144-140 FRAZIER
4. KEN NORTON vs MUHAMMAD ALI I 115-113 NORTON
5. KEN NORTON vs MUHAMMAD ALI II 116-112 ALI
6. MUHAMMAD ALI vs JOE FRAZIER II 134-131 ALI
7. RAY LEONARD 135 | WILFRED BENITEZ 130
8. RAY LEONARD vs ROBERTO DURAN I 143-142 LEONARD
9. RAY LEONARD vs ROBERTO DURAN II 70-63 LEONARD
10. THOMAS HEARNS vs RAY LEONARD I 125-121 HEARNS
11. AZUMAH NELSON vs SALVADOR SANCHEZ 133-132 NELSON
12. AARON PRYOR vs ALEXIS ARGUELLO I 124-124
13. DWIGHT BRAXTON 143 | MICHAEL SPINKS 141
14. MARVIN HAGLER 145 | ROBERTO DURAN 140
15. THOMAS HEARNS 10 | ROBERTO DURAN 7
16. DONALD CURRY 10| MILTON MCCRORY 9
17. MARVIN HAGLER 96 | JOHN MUGABI 93
18. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA vs ERIK MORALES I 115-112 BARRERA
19. FERNANDO VARGAS 116 | IKE QUARTEY 111
20. SHANE MOSLEY vs OSCAR DE LA HOYA I 115-113 MOSLEY
21. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA 116 | NASEEM HAMED 111
22. BERNARD HOPKINS 110 | FELIX TRINIDAD 99
23. JOEL CASAMAYOR 114 | ACELINO FREITAS 112
24. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. vs JOSE LUIS CASTILLO 114-113 JR.
25. MICKY WARD vs ARTURO GATTI 95-93 WARD
26. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA vs ERIK MORALES II 116-112 BARRERA
27. OSCAR DE LA HOYA 96 | FERNANDO VARGAS 94
28. ARTURO GATTI vs MICKY WARD II 97-92 GATTI
29. MANNY PACQUIAO vs JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ I 114-111 PAC
30. ERIK MORALES vs MANNY PACQUIAO I 115-113 MORALES
31. ERIK MORALES vs MANNY PACQUIAO II 87-85 PAC
32. BERNARD HOPKINS 119 | ANTONIO TARVER 108
33. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs MANNY PACQUIAO II 114-113 JMM
34. BERNARD HOPKINS 119 | KELLY PAVLIK 107
35. CARL FROCH 117 | JEAN PASCAL 112
36. ANDRE DIRRELL 115 | CARL FROCH 112
37. MANNY PACQUIAO 108 | MIGUEL COTTO 99
38. MANNY PACQUIAO 120 | JOSHUA CLOTTEY 108
39. ANDRE DIRRELL 98 | ARTHUR ABRAHAM 91
40. JOAN GUZMAN vs ALI FUNEKA II 116-111 GUZMAN
41. SERGIO MARTINEZ 115 | KELLY PAVLIK 112
42. TOMASZ ADAMEK 116 | CHRIS ARREOLA 112
43. CARL FROCH 116 | MIKKEL KESSLER 114
44. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. 118 | SHANE MOSLEY 112
45. PAUL WILLIAMS 38 | KERMIT CINTRON 38
46. ABNER MARES 115 | YONNHY PEREZ 113
47. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs JUAN DIAZ II 118-110 JMM
48. ANDRIY KOTELNIK 116 | DEVON ALEXANDER 112
49. JEAN PASCAL 105 | CHAD DAWSON 104
50. GIOVANNI SEGURA vs IVAN CALDERON I 68-65 SEGURA
51. LUCAS MATTHYSSE 116 | ZAB JUDAH 111
52. MANNY PACQUIAO 120 | ANTONIO MARGARITO 108
53. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ 76 | MICHAEL KATSIDIS 75
54. HUMBERTO SOTO 114 | URBANO ANTILLON 112
55. LAMONT PETERSON 94 | VICTOR ORTIZ 94
56. MARCOS MAIDANA 113 | AMIR KHAN 113
57. MIKE JONES vs JESUS SOTO KARASS II 117-111 JONES
58. JORGE ARCE 104 | WILFREDO VAZQUEZ JR. 104
59. MANNY PACQUIAO 119 | SHANE MOSLEY 108
60. ABNER MARES vs JOSEPH AGBEKO I 115-111 MARES
61. BREIDIS PRESCOTT 87 | MIKE ALVARADO 84
62. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs MANNY PACQUIAO III 116-112 JMM
63. ANSELMO MORENO 118 | VIC DARCHINYAN 109
64. LAMONT PETERSON 113 | AMIR KHAN 112
65. NONITO DONAIRE 117 | WILFREDO VAZQUEZ JR. 110
66. MARCO HUCK 114 | ALEXANDER POVETKIN 114
67. RICHARD ABRIL 117 | BRANDON RIOS 111
68. ABNER MARES 118 | ERIC MOREL 110
69. CHAD DAWSON vs BERNARD HOPKINS II 117-111 DAWSON
70. PAULIE MALIGNAGGI 79 | VYACHESLAV SENCHENKO 73
71. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. 117 | MIGUEL COTTO 111
72. SAUL ALVAREZ 118 | SHANE MOSLEY 110
73. CARL FROCH 39 | LUCIAN BUTE 36
74. ANTONIO TARVER 114 | LATEEF KAYODE 114
75. PETER QUILLIN 97 | WINKY WRIGHT 92
76. AUSTIN TROUT 116 | DELVIN RODRIGUEZ 112
77. GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX 50 | TEON KENNEDY 40
78. TIMOTHY BRADLEY 115 | MANNY PACQUIAO 113
79. JESUS ROJAS 9 | JORGE ARCE 9
80. MIKE JONES 105 | RANDALL BAILEY 102
81. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. 58 | ANDY LEE 56

That's all I kept record of since mid April.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:29 AM   #2183
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rd JCCJr. vs Andy Lee .
1 9 10
2 10 10
3 10 10
4 10 10
5 10 9 (but could b even)
6 10 9
7 TKO

59 58 could b 59 59 .

Not d 1 sided bullying performance d writers typed about at all .
D writers need something 2 write about , don't they ?
Also take in2 consideration that while Chavez Jr. is a great dehydrator , Andy Lee is slightly taller and a Kronk fighter @ that , not something I consider a small or even medium middleweight . Kronk gym is known 4 its extreme dehydration regime .
Chavez Jr. might have been slightly heavier , but he is taking it 2d edge and may lose someday because of it if some1 takes him 2d late rds and makes him work/ strain .
Both r total hypejobs @ this point of time , Andy Lee with 2 stoppage losses @ this stage should look 4 doing something else .
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:56 PM   #2184
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George Benton vs Allen Thomas on youtube
Benton made it look so damn easy and Thomas was no slouch
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:15 PM   #2185
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Here is the fights I have scored over the last several months. Let me know what you think of my scores. If you disagree with any, or believe me to be crazy/blind, or blind & crazy..lets discuss;

1. MAX SCHMELING 145 | JACK SHARKEY 140
2. JOE FRAZIER 95 | OSCAR BONAVENA 93
3. JOE FRAZIER vs MUHAMMAD ALI I 144-140 FRAZIER
4. KEN NORTON vs MUHAMMAD ALI I 115-113 NORTON
5. KEN NORTON vs MUHAMMAD ALI II 116-112 ALI
6. MUHAMMAD ALI vs JOE FRAZIER II 134-131 ALI
7. RAY LEONARD 135 | WILFRED BENITEZ 130
8. RAY LEONARD vs ROBERTO DURAN I 143-142 LEONARD
9. RAY LEONARD vs ROBERTO DURAN II 70-63 LEONARD
10. THOMAS HEARNS vs RAY LEONARD I 125-121 HEARNS
11. AZUMAH NELSON vs SALVADOR SANCHEZ 133-132 NELSON
12. AARON PRYOR vs ALEXIS ARGUELLO I 124-124
13. DWIGHT BRAXTON 143 | MICHAEL SPINKS 141
14. MARVIN HAGLER 145 | ROBERTO DURAN 140
15. THOMAS HEARNS 10 | ROBERTO DURAN 7
16. DONALD CURRY 10| MILTON MCCRORY 9
17. MARVIN HAGLER 96 | JOHN MUGABI 93
18. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA vs ERIK MORALES I 115-112 BARRERA
19. FERNANDO VARGAS 116 | IKE QUARTEY 111
20. SHANE MOSLEY vs OSCAR DE LA HOYA I 115-113 MOSLEY
21. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA 116 | NASEEM HAMED 111
22. BERNARD HOPKINS 110 | FELIX TRINIDAD 99
23. JOEL CASAMAYOR 114 | ACELINO FREITAS 112
24. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. vs JOSE LUIS CASTILLO 114-113 JR.
25. MICKY WARD vs ARTURO GATTI 95-93 WARD
26. MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA vs ERIK MORALES II 116-112 BARRERA
27. OSCAR DE LA HOYA 96 | FERNANDO VARGAS 94
28. ARTURO GATTI vs MICKY WARD II 97-92 GATTI
29. MANNY PACQUIAO vs JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ I 114-111 PAC
30. ERIK MORALES vs MANNY PACQUIAO I 115-113 MORALES
31. ERIK MORALES vs MANNY PACQUIAO II 87-85 PAC
32. BERNARD HOPKINS 119 | ANTONIO TARVER 108
33. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs MANNY PACQUIAO II 114-113 JMM
34. BERNARD HOPKINS 119 | KELLY PAVLIK 107
35. CARL FROCH 117 | JEAN PASCAL 112
36. ANDRE DIRRELL 115 | CARL FROCH 112
37. MANNY PACQUIAO 108 | MIGUEL COTTO 99
38. MANNY PACQUIAO 120 | JOSHUA CLOTTEY 108
39. ANDRE DIRRELL 98 | ARTHUR ABRAHAM 91
40. JOAN GUZMAN vs ALI FUNEKA II 116-111 GUZMAN
41. SERGIO MARTINEZ 115 | KELLY PAVLIK 112
42. TOMASZ ADAMEK 116 | CHRIS ARREOLA 112
43. CARL FROCH 116 | MIKKEL KESSLER 114
44. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. 118 | SHANE MOSLEY 112
45. PAUL WILLIAMS 38 | KERMIT CINTRON 38
46. ABNER MARES 115 | YONNHY PEREZ 113
47. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs JUAN DIAZ II 118-110 JMM
48. ANDRIY KOTELNIK 116 | DEVON ALEXANDER 112
49. JEAN PASCAL 105 | CHAD DAWSON 104
50. GIOVANNI SEGURA vs IVAN CALDERON I 68-65 SEGURA
51. LUCAS MATTHYSSE 116 | ZAB JUDAH 111
52. MANNY PACQUIAO 120 | ANTONIO MARGARITO 108
53. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ 76 | MICHAEL KATSIDIS 75
54. HUMBERTO SOTO 114 | URBANO ANTILLON 112
55. LAMONT PETERSON 94 | VICTOR ORTIZ 94
56. MARCOS MAIDANA 113 | AMIR KHAN 113
57. MIKE JONES vs JESUS SOTO KARASS II 117-111 JONES
58. JORGE ARCE 104 | WILFREDO VAZQUEZ JR. 104
59. MANNY PACQUIAO 119 | SHANE MOSLEY 108
60. ABNER MARES vs JOSEPH AGBEKO I 115-111 MARES
61. BREIDIS PRESCOTT 87 | MIKE ALVARADO 84
62. JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ vs MANNY PACQUIAO III 116-112 JMM
63. ANSELMO MORENO 118 | VIC DARCHINYAN 109
64. LAMONT PETERSON 113 | AMIR KHAN 112
65. NONITO DONAIRE 117 | WILFREDO VAZQUEZ JR. 110
66. MARCO HUCK 114 | ALEXANDER POVETKIN 114
67. RICHARD ABRIL 117 | BRANDON RIOS 111
68. ABNER MARES 118 | ERIC MOREL 110
69. CHAD DAWSON vs BERNARD HOPKINS II 117-111 DAWSON
70. PAULIE MALIGNAGGI 79 | VYACHESLAV SENCHENKO 73
71. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. 117 | MIGUEL COTTO 111
72. SAUL ALVAREZ 118 | SHANE MOSLEY 110
73. CARL FROCH 39 | LUCIAN BUTE 36
74. ANTONIO TARVER 114 | LATEEF KAYODE 114
75. PETER QUILLIN 97 | WINKY WRIGHT 92
76. AUSTIN TROUT 116 | DELVIN RODRIGUEZ 112
77. GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX 50 | TEON KENNEDY 40
78. TIMOTHY BRADLEY 115 | MANNY PACQUIAO 113
79. JESUS ROJAS 9 | JORGE ARCE 9
80. MIKE JONES 105 | RANDALL BAILEY 102
81. JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JR. 58 | ANDY LEE 56

That's all I kept record of since mid April.
You have mostly great scores...

Which is why its odd that you have three or four cards that are completely egregious, and I've bolded them.

How in hell could you have Bradley beating Pacquiao? Based on what?
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You have mostly great scores...

Which is why its odd that you have three or four cards that are completely egregious, and I've bolded them.

How in hell could you have Bradley beating Pacquiao? Based on what?
Well for one, I didn't give rounds to Pacquiao for throwing a ton of punches that connect with thin air. Bradley made Manny miss all night, controlled the landed action with his jab, did very good body work that went underrated (but still manage to leave Pac gassed for the final quarter of the fight) and stood his ground even when Manny did land. He even managed to push Manny back numerous times, despite having 2 injured feet.

For the most part Pac to me looked like reverted back to his old ways. Following Bradley around the ring instead of cutting the ring off. Failing away with wild combos, and in the latter stages going strictly with the old 1-2. Basically imo Pacquaio just didn't have the goods on this night, however I would still favor him if there is a rematch.
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As far as the Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran I I simply thought Ray boxed beautifully from the outside, and Duran wasn't as effective when he drew Ray into brawl as most believe. I feel Ray gave as good as he got in those exchanges. I'm not saying what happened was a bad decision, as I can understand how some could agree with it given that Duran was able to drag Ray into his fight. I simply think while not very smart on Ray's part, he did enough in all areas of the fight to keep his championship.

As far as Qawi vs Spinks & JMM vs Katsidis i'm not sure what you're questioning?

Qawi/Spinks was a close fight, and I scored it close. I just favored Dwight's effective aggression in this one. JMM vs Katsidis I had JMM winning a close fight at the time of the stoppage, despite the knockdown.

What is it you question about those 2?
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As far as the Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran I I simply thought Ray boxed beautifully from the outside, and Duran wasn't as effective when he drew Ray into brawl as most believe. I feel Ray gave as good as he got in those exchanges. I'm not saying what happened was a bad decision, as I can understand how some could agree with it given that Duran was able to drag Ray into his fight. I simply think while not very smart on Ray's part, he did enough in all areas of the fight to keep his championship.

As far as Qawi vs Spinks & JMM vs Katsidis i'm not sure what you're questioning?

Qawi/Spinks was a close fight, and I scored it close. I just favored Dwight's effective aggression in this one. JMM vs Katsidis I had JMM winning a close fight at the time of the stoppage, despite the knockdown.

What is it you question about those 2?
Pacquiao outlanded him 2-1, and had him running all around the ring.

Pacquiao dominated effective aggression, punchs landed, and ring generalship. Bradley was cowed, beaten, and steered all night.

Thought Duran won 8 of the first 9 rounds in the first Leonard fight. Have never seen a good argument for otherwise, would love to see rbr.

Have also never seen Dwight given the Spinks fight. Curious how you got there.

It's reasonably clear Marquez won every single round outside of the third in the Katsidis fight. Very curious to see what you awarded him, as Marquez couldn't miss him.
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Well for one, I didn't give rounds to Pacquiao for throwing a ton of punches that connect with thin air. Bradley made Manny miss all night, controlled the landed action with his jab, did very good body work that went underrated (but still manage to leave Pac gassed for the final quarter of the fight) and stood his ground even when Manny did land. He even managed to push Manny back numerous times, despite having 2 injured feet.

For the most part Pac to me looked like reverted back to his old ways. Following Bradley around the ring instead of cutting the ring off. Failing away with wild combos, and in the latter stages going strictly with the old 1-2. Basically imo Pacquaio just didn't have the goods on this night, however I would still favor him if there is a rematch.
Yeah, but he was getting punched and not landing shots back. Can't win a round for moves without good scoring.
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Pacquiao outlanded him 2-1
He only out landed him if you believe, or put any stock in the farce that is compubox. Those landed numbers for Pacquiao were no where near legitimate. Not to mention the official judges don't get to use compubox when they score the fight, so I don't either. And neither should you.

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Pacquiao dominated effective aggression, punchs landed, and ring generalship. Bradley was cowed, beaten, and steered all night.
Manny was aggressive for the first six rounds of the fight, but I would hardly call it "effective." Manny followed Tim around the ring all night, throwing wild sloppy combinations, and hardly if at all cut off the ring. Which is a failure to control were the fight takes place, that's hardly "ring generalship.

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Thought Duran won 8 of the first 9 rounds in the first Leonard fight. Have never seen a good argument for otherwise, would love to see rbr.
I felt Leonard gave as good as he got, imo the fight was a toss up and could have gone either way. I only scored it a 1 point victory for Ray, with so many rounds so close again IMO that I can certainly understand and have no qualms with Duran being the 1 point victor. I honestly feel given how close the fight was, that maybe the only fair outcome was a draw.

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Have also never seen Dwight given the Spinks fight. Curious how you got there.
In all honesty I was very tired when I scored this fight, so although I favored Qawi's aggression in this one, I can admit I probably came up with the wrong score.

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It's reasonably clear Marquez won every single round outside of the third in the Katsidis fight. Very curious to see what you awarded him, as Marquez couldn't miss him.
I thought Katsidis did a fantastic job luring JMM into his domain, and effectively turned large chunks of the fight into a Rocky-esque brawl. I will freely admit JMM couldn't miss, but I felt Mike landed his handsome share of solid shots combined with the knockdown was enough to keep him 1 point behind at the time of the stoppage.
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