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Old 06-14-2012, 11:54 AM   #2176
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Julio Cesar Chavez UD12 Juan LaPorte

118-118 draw

rd 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Chavez 9 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
LaPorte 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 9 10

If i do go by Richard Steele's pt deduction in d 9th then it yields a 118-117 victory 4 LaPorte , however , i thought LaPorte also hit Chavez low earlier in d fight .

And then d 1st and d 11th could b considered even as well which makes it a 119-119 draw .

Even d 10th was close and i think there r a few *** missing in d end of d 12th rd , probably more than just a few *** , more like a minute or even more ?

rd 12 was incomplete , i read and believe than LaPorte won it , which makes d fighta 118-117 win in favor of LaPorte .

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Old 06-14-2012, 08:58 PM   #2177
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:45 PM   #2178
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b4 it got lost more than it will now when some moderator moved it .


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I have been busy, so sorry if this topic has been discussed to death already. I just thought I'd post all the people who scored the fiasco.

Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ray Markarian, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Marley, Examiner: 119-109 Pacquiao
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, The Sweet Science: 119-109 Pacquiao
Ramon Aranda, 3 More Rounds: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mario Cabrera, Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
Nigel Collins, ESPN: 118-110 Pacquiao
Mike Coppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, Fight Fan: 118-110 Pacquiao
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
Kelsey McCarson, The Sweet Science: 118-110 Pacquiao
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing: 118-110 Pacquiao
Pete O’Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, Grantland: 118-110 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, Examiner: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
Ryan Burton, Boxing Scene: 117-112 Pacquiao
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
Gareth Davies, London Daily Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Greisman, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
Robert Littal, Black Sports Online: 117-111 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, Max Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao
Ryan Maquiñana, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
David Mayo, MLive: 117-111 Pacquiao
Kieran Mulvaney, HBO: 117-111 Pacquiao
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
Chris Robinson, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Champ Ross, Da Truth Boxing: 117-111 Pacquiao
Luis Sandoval, Boxing Scene: 117-111 Pacquiao
Jonathan Sakti, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Tim Starks, Queensberry Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
Richie Tomassini, Comcast SportsNet Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
Darren Velasco, 8 Count News: 117-111 Pacquiao
Rick Reeno, Boxing Scene: 116-112 Pacquiao
George Willis, New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Zemach, Queensberry Rules: 116-112 Pacquiao
Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene: 115-113 Pacquiao
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao

Thomas Hauser, HBO: 115-114 Bradley
Bart Barry, 15 Rounds: 116-115 Bradley
Brian Kenny, Top Rank: 116-112 Bradley

TOTAL: Pacquiao 48, Bradley 3.
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:50 PM   #2179
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WOOO HOOO!! Well I've started this one a little late cause the wife is home but time for Nightcrawler's Drunken Fight Scoring Round 3: Let's Get this Party Started

First up...Roy Jones vs James Toney (how have I never scored it before?! I'm one of the classics most vocal Jones nuthuggers!!)

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Old 06-15-2012, 04:55 PM   #2180
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Jones 119-108

Wow, yup that was everything I anticipated. Just beautiful by Roy. It was all about Roy's flurries, accuracy and footwork. What AMAZING footwork from Roy, as good as anyone in the last 25 years. His jab to was impressive when he decided to use it in round 4 and 5. Rounds 7-9 were a pure outclassing by Roy, whose speed was so ****ing ridiculous its unbelievable. He destroyed Toney in every way shape or form. I gave round 10 to toney because Roy did take it off but ****, even that was close.

Roy also showed his chin. Toney hit him with a few HARD left hooks and he didn't even blink. Roy has a weak chin in the same way that Ezzard Charles has a weak chin. In him prime, Roy could take a damn punch. Nuff said
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Old 06-15-2012, 07:00 PM   #2181
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It was all about James having 2 come down from above 183 or 184 2 167 or 167.5 , regaining it back 2 183 / 184 and d rest is history . If Jones' management didn't know it was d case , d fight would not have happened . Every1 who's impressed by this , go watch Roy Jones dominate a 33 years old , thoroughly undersized Reggie Johnson . Better even than his domination of 40 years old Mike McCallum . And yet both of these men fared better than 33 years old former lightweight champion Vinny Pazienza . Along with 33 years old former welterweight champion of d world (by way of technical decision) Jorge Vaca , i think Jones nailed d last screw in d coffin of his all time greatness . He proved he resides in d same company of Ray Leonard , Muhammad Ali , Joe Louis , Willie Pep , Joe Calzaghe , Bernard Hopkins , Rocco Marchegiano , Khaosai Galaxy , Wilfredo Gomez and Ricardo Lopez .
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Old 06-16-2012, 02:14 AM   #2182
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Toney was a zombie in the Jones fight, but it wasn't RJJ's fault. i think a rematch at 175 would've seen a much more motivated Toney.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:43 AM   #2183
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Toney was a zombie in the Jones fight, but it wasn't RJJ's fault. i think a rematch at 175 would've seen a much more motivated Toney.
agreed but the speed difference would be almost as ridiculous. i don't see any prime jones losing to any toney.

another interesting one would have been jones vs toney when they respectively fought ruiz. timeline wouldn't work but as a fantasy fight, could be quite fun
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:31 AM   #2184
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another interesting one would have been jones vs toney when they respectively fought ruiz. timeline wouldn't work but as a fantasy fight, could be quite fun
Toney was fat, stationary and still recovering from injury.

It's not a good fight for Toney at all.
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Old 06-16-2012, 12:29 PM   #2185
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Toney was fat, stationary and still recovering from injury.

It's not a good fight for Toney at all.
i'm a huge roy fan, sounds fun to me
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:37 PM   #2186
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the toney that fought holyfield was the best hw version of Toney, so '03 Toney vs '03 Jones would be interesting
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:42 PM   #2187
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Toney was never mobile enough or fast enough to deal with a version of Roy Jones at or near his best.

Toney is a great fighter, and most don't give him enough credit. Jones vs. Toney was far more styles and gifts than one fighter being that much better than the other, though Roy was overall the superior fighter.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:46 PM   #2188
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Muhammad Ali vs. Ken Norton III

Round 1- 10-9 Ali
Ali throws twice as many shots and lands so many more this round is a wash. Clear that Norton is feeling the champ out, and Ali is simply letting his hands go far more. Ali lands some nice right hands, but looks awkward and unsure of how to mount a precise, effective attack.

Round 2- 9-10 Norton

Norton immediately comes out to throw more shots, looking more aggressive and warmed up. All it takes is a steady stream of stiff jabs from Norton to put Ali in his Zaire shell, and Norton just whacks away for three minutes straight. Ali connects clean and hard with a couple of showy flurries, even stinging Norton a bit with a right, but overall is swamped.

The break between rounds seems long.

Round 3- 9-10 Norton

This is an interesting round to score. It's mainly defined by a stream of light, unremarkable connects from Ali's flurries, and several hard jabs and big overhand rights from Norton. Ali lands and throws more in this round, but Norton delivers the big shots. This one could honestly be scored either way validly, but I give Norton his edge in this round on defense; He has a couple of beautiful slips, and has Ali looking very uncomfortable even when he isn't landing. Super close round.

Press has it 29-28 Ali right now. I have it 29-28 Norton. Their scores are completely fair.

Round 4- 10-9 Ali

Ali comes out on absolute fire in this round. He looks suddenly comfortable, and is letting some really nice punches go. He lands some 10 beautiful right and left hands in the first 30 seconds, before Norton lands a single shot, or gets his punches thrown into the double digits. Norton responds by slowing the action down, and landing a really good overhand right. This slows Ali's roll, and he returns to boxing behind his jab center ring as Norton stalks and loads right. Ali clips Norton with several flurries, and Norton responds by upping his aggression, thwacking Ali with several big rights as the round winds out. Damn close, Ali's big opening steals the frame.

Round 5- 9-10 Norton

Odd round. Norton comes out blazing, and spends 80% of the round ripping a rope-a-doping Ali. Then he suddenly stops, and Ali spends the last 30 seconds firing away. Norton round, clear as day.

Round 6- 9-10 Norton

Norton comes out hard again, blasting at a guarding Ali on the ropes. Several big Norton rights land. Ali is just starting to claw his way back, nullifying Norton's charges and getting in with some rights, when he inexplicably begins to defend again. Norton is happy to take back the offensive, and Ali's cheek damn near gets him stopped by a body shot late. If Norton were a top shelf puncher, the big left hook downstairs end this fight.

Round 7- 10-9 Ali

Ali really needed a round, and it appeared that he won this one, albeit closely. He does a much better job of staying active, and repeats his pattern for success against Norton: Just keep throwing. Ali throws more, lands more, picks Norton's punches off much better than any previous round aside from the 1st, and nicks it.

Round 8- 9-10 Norton

Norton has a brilliant round. Ali is actively trying to stay in the center and outbox him, but Norton cuts the ring like a champion and lets everything go downstairs. Norton totally dominates the 8th.

It's a fairly close fight, but it's reasonably clear that Norton holds a lead through 8. He should be winning this fight on a fair card by 2 or 3 points.

Round 9- 10-9 Ali

Ali gets on his toes. Norton following, and begins to take some jabs. Norton looks suddenly confused, but Ali is missing most of his jabs. A very low contact round, but the only punches being landed are coming from Ali. Ali gets through his biggest right hand of the fight to tell us the round is half in.
Norton finally breaks through with a hard left, right to the head, and a body shot, but these are the only shots he landed all round, and he didn't throw a whole lot besides. Easy Ali round, clearest for Muhammad since the first. The champion closes the gap a bit.

Round 10- 10-9 Ali

Ali heartened by his better round, comes out dancing again. Norton really not cutting the ring well at all against this tactic, and he spends the entire first minute following and getting occasionally stung. Norton finally manages to corner Ali and land some good body blows, but Ali lands three crisp counters off the ropes, something he should have been trying all fight. Ali returns to ring center and starts to land well with the left hook. Dominant round for the champion, and this fight is a razor close one.

Round 11- 10-9 Ali

Wow, the two come out really looking to exchange shots. Both men land some good ones, Norton's look a bit better. Norton gives away his edge, however, by clowning on the ropes and getting tagged a couple of times doing it. Ali suddenly sniping in solid shots as Norton hits air. Norton drops his left to be cute, and gets slugged with a big right. Ali clearly wins the round by pulling it late. Norton tried to get cute, and instead looked like a fool getting hit with big shots. Ken closes with a big right hand, but he was a mile behind already.

Close, close fight, with Ali gaining ascendancy. Anybodies boxing match.

Round 12- 9-10 Norton

Norton comes out boxing a bit. Norton starts to find success with the jab, when Ali throws a mean flurry and lands several good shots in the process. This fight has some tough to score rounds. It seems to wake Norton up, and he bulls Ali into the ropes and keeps on working. Ali's punch count dips like it did early, and Norton takes over the round and rides it home. Ali came alive late and landed some good shots, but Norton did manage to hold on to the frame.

This fight is even through 12, and should be no more than a couple points either way. This really should come down to how one scores the last 3.

Round 13- 10-9 Ali

Really close round. It is a mix of stretches of boxing which Ali dominates to a big brawl that encompasses the final minute that Norton gets the better of. I give it to Ali; Lands more shots, and fought better in the trenches then Norton did on the outside.

Round 14- 9-10 Norton

A boxing match of a round. Norton gets in some big overhand rights, Ali scores some of his trademark flurries. I give this round to Norton because it is the only round in this fight I can remember where he clearly outjabbed Ali. Norton lands far more straight lefts, and thats the difference maker.

It all comes down to the 15th on my card.

Round 15- 10-9 Ali

Ali wins this round by winning 2:15 of it. Norton lands some big shots and comes at him hard in the last bit, but I don't think it is quite enough to steal the round in which Ali was the general and landed more shots.

8-7 Ali. I could easily give it 8-7 Norton or 9-6 Norton, if Round 4 and 15, two close Ali rounds, are scored for Norton.

Close fight, no robbery. Perhaps Norton was a bit unlucky, but he certainly didn't clearly win anything.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:51 AM   #2189
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The Thrilla in Manila was on last night. Great fight.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:51 AM   #2190
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Chan-Hee Park vs Shoji Oguma 2

Interesting technical fight.

Much closer than their third meeting.

Good counter punching on both sides, you can see both fighters thinking in there.

It was surprising to see that it was Park who played the role of aggressor for almost entire fight as Oguma prefered to stay in the counter punching mode.

Park faded dramatically after the 10th round - sloppy weak punches, low guard - all signs of a tired fighter.

I haven't seen his fights against Canto - was stamina always the big issue with talented underachiever Park?

It seemed like if Oguma came forward and pressed the action like he did in the 3rd fight Park would crumble again in the latter parts of the fight.
I'm not sure if Oguma could have done that though as he himself faded in the last 2 rounds and offered very little offense in return to Park's sloppy attack.

And contrary to the third fight Park tried his best even in the last round.

Personally I think Park edged the decision in the last 2 rounds.

But it's a close fight and I wouldn't call the official decision an outright robbery.

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