the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[Flea Man]

Oh, and Lora, Chang was horrid in the 2nd Torres fight.

[Addie]

I don't think he would dominate him (and don't think I said he could) I just think Changs ability to revert to his loose, mid-range work, his feints, and own durability would mean he'd also have no worries doing the 12.

I actually like Yuh at mid-range. He had a nice jab which helped him set up combinations behind it, and he also had the ring craft and timing to punish and counter his opponent. For example, when Chang would leap in from mid-range with his head up, Yuh could exploit this. Slowing down the pace and being more scientific actually wouldn't benefit Chang, in my opinion.

In terms of conditioning, Chang was such a canny, tiring inside fighter I'm not certain Yuh has the advantage there either. Chang could tie his man up and work with his free hand as good as anyone.

I've seen Yuh throw an inordinate amount of punches from round 1 to 15 on a number of different occasions. How many times did Chang have to do this? I take Lora's point seriously as he clearly knows his stuff, but the fact remains Chang was extremely tired after 10 rounds against an inferior fighter to Yuh in Jorge Cano. The pace wasn't even particuarly punishing in that one.

Would it be a great fight? Yes. I just favour Chang, I don't really favour many against him on his best day to be honest, not even many Flys (he effectively beat the no.1 at Fly way past his best...although whether or not Sot still should've been recognised at that point is another question entirely)

Favouring him is fine, but it's because he's more talented and a higher level operator? I'm not sure. Why would Chang get the better of the exchanges? If it's a long grueling fight, what seperates Chang from Yuh? Yuh had better ring craft than Chang, in my opinion, so why would it benefit him to slow things down and work from mid-range?

What would you say Yuhs best win was? Blanco?

Well he ultimately beat every man he ever faced so I'm not sure. Let me think about it.

[lora]

The main problem i see for Yuh is speed.

Yuh didn't have more than typical\average quickness of hand or foot nor reflexes by Fly standards.His defence was better than average because he was so fundamentally sound, but he still took a fair amount of shots from the quicker fighters he fought.

Chang at his best had exceptional footspeed and ability to close and create distance in an unorthodox manner, as well as quick hands and strong reflexes.Even guys like Zapata and Chitalada, two of the quickest lateral movers and outfighters in the divisions history couldn't keep chang away or dictate range(Chitalada only really came into the fight after he had fouled open a bad cut on Chang)


He's going to be the one dictating when and where most of the exchanges take place.Yuh can lapse into coming forward in straight lines at a methodical pace, which while a strength against some fighters because of his stamina and output, yet wouldn't serve him well here imo.

I just see him getting beat to the punch and outmaneuvered both on the outside and inside.

That's not to say he'll be thrashed or won't have his own strong moments, however.

[Addie]

Fair enough, Lora.

Myung Woo Yuh vs Leo Gamez I

1. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
2. Leo Gamez 10-9 (close)
3. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9 (close)
4. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
5. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
6. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
7. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9 (close)
8. Leo Gamez 10-9 (close)
9. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
10. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9
11. Leo Gamez 10-9
12. Myung Woo Yuh 10-9

Closer than the second fight but this one still had a fairly clear winner. Yuh was landing the cleaner shots with his straight right hand, and his body shots was usually the showier work on the inside. Gamez boxed well at times and caught Yuh in a lot of the rounds, but he found himself being outworked for most part. The best I could probably see is 8-4. Maybe 7-5 at a stretch.

[lora]

It's a shame Gamez kept moving through the weights and became a bit of an alphabet titleist joke.He was a solid contender and a tidy little fighter at 112 and below.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by lora

It's a shame Gamez kept moving through the weights and became a bit of an alphabet titleist joke.He was a solid contender and a tidy little fighter at 112 and below.

Agreed. Gamez showed nice skills in this one, but was thoroughly spanked in the rematch.

[Flea Man]

As I say, Chang was an odd mid-range fighter and a stifling inside fighter. I think he negates Yuhs workrate.

[sweet_scientist]

Chang has a style much better suited to handling boxer types than Yuh, but Yuh is the wrong man to rumble with.

Chang probably wins if he's in top condition due to his better flexibility and fluidity, but Yuh would push even the best Chang to the limits.

If Chang is anything but at his best, Yuh would take him imo.

[Flea Man]

Addie; any chance of that Encyclopedia entry?

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Addie; any chance of that Encyclopedia entry?

That's what I actually just came on to start, Flea. I'm going to watch a lot of his fights again though and take my time with it.

Chang has a style much better suited to handling boxer types than Yuh, but Yuh is the wrong man to rumble with.

Chang probably wins if he's in top condition due to his better flexibility and fluidity, but Yuh would push even the best Chang to the limits.

If Chang is anything but at his best, Yuh would take him imo.

Totally agree, SS.

Yuh excels when he has an offensive minded opponent, one that comes right for him. For all of Yuh's strengths, and for all of the praise he often gets on the Classic, I still feel his counterpunching ability is overlooked. He can either come over the top with his lead right hand, or he likes to throw the left hook, right hand combination. Impeccable timing.

[Flea Man]

Addie: good lad

[lufcrazy]

Mp v jmm 3

Jmm - mp

9-10: mp better work in a close round
10-9: jmm good combinations and defence
10-9: controlled round by jmm picking mp apart
9-10: mp moving much better and landing frequently
10-9: jmm much better defence and better clean shots being landed
9-10: brilliant round for mp landing good clean shots.
10-9: close but clear round as both fighters step it up a notch.
10-9: punch perfect timing for jmm showing great defence and timing.
9-10: close round with mp getting the slight nod based on clean shots and effective aggression.
10-9: mp tried nicking the round but left it too late
9-10: jmm takes foot off the gas and mp edges it on aggression
9-10: good final push by mp as he edges the final round.

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by Addie

That's what I actually just came on to start, Flea. I'm going to watch a lot of his fights again though and take my time with it.



Totally agree, SS.

Yuh excels when he has an offensive minded opponent, one that comes right for him. For all of Yuh's strengths, and for all of the praise he often gets on the Classic, I still feel his counterpunching ability is overlooked. He can either come over the top with his lead right hand, or he likes to throw the left hook, right hand combination. Impeccable timing.

His boxing ability per se gets a little underplayed. I suppose it's because he's always being compared to Chang.

[lora]

Who do you guys favour in a Yuh vs Gushiken fight?.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by lora

Who do you guys favour in a Yuh vs Gushiken fight?.

I haven't seen enough of Gushiken. I only have his fight with Lopez.