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Old 09-25-2007, 11:42 PM   #46
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This is a no brainer, Tyson by KO.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:46 PM   #47
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oh man, prime Tyson would DESTROY Sam...peter can take a punch but he would be overwhelmed by Tyson's power and aggression, plus he might not be able to stand the biting...
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:48 PM   #48
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Tyson by TKO in round 6. Way too much speed/power/chin/stamina/defense for Peter to handle, Peter gets stopped on his feet though as he runs out of gas in the 6th from all punches thrown(A lot missed) and taken.


Exactly the way I see it.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:34 AM   #49
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Stupid post. Tyson would kill Peter in the 1st or 2nd round but NO later. Peter has absolutely no boxing skills and would stand there to be hit.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:50 AM   #50
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Stupid post. Tyson would kill Peter in the 1st or 2nd round but NO later. Peter has absolutely no boxing skills and would stand there to be hit.
Absolutley no boxing skills? Didn't he outboxed Toney recently ... ?
I guess you will tell Toney have absolutely no boxing skills either?
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:54 AM   #51
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Absolutley no boxing skills? Didn't he outboxed Toney recently ... ?
I guess you will tell Toney have absolutely no boxing skills either?
He will just tell you that Toney is an overwieght blown up super middlewieght, watch what happens when Peter lays out Mccline in under 8 rounds.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:01 AM   #52
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He will just tell you that Toney is an overwieght blown up super middlewieght, watch what happens when Peter lays out Mccline in under 8 rounds.
Toney is fat middleweight, but he knocked out Holyfield,
beat Ruiz and draw with Rahman .... that not the worst record.

It means that even fat he have enough skills to be competitive at high level at HW.
This also mean Peter have some skills since he outboxed Toney ...
he did not knock him out but seriously .... who did?

This gives conclusion: Peter have skills .... but does he have
enough skills to knock out Tyson before Tyson get his chin out.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:29 AM   #53
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Toney is fat middleweight, but he knocked out Holyfield,
beat Ruiz and draw with Rahman .... that not the worst record.

It means that even fat he have enough skills to be competitive at high level at HW.
This also mean Peter have some skills since he outboxed Toney ...
he did not knock him out but seriously .... who did?

This gives conclusion: Peter have skills .... but does he have
enough skills to knock out Tyson before Tyson get his chin out.
He doesn't have the skills to keep up with a prime Tyson. Biggest difference is speed, agility, coordination, technicals skills, defensive skills...all of of the above with exception to power (you can say either man was as powerful)...but when you sum up the fact that Tyson could throw at least 3 punches in a combination for 1 single punch from Peter, you can put the math together. This equation ends in a KO for Tyson in 4-5 rounds.


Put this into prespective: A prime Tyson KO'd Larry Holmes who never had been KO'd in his career. But you may say, "Larry was old and past his prime". Yes indeed he was...however, Larry still continued to fight after he lost to Tyson by KO and was never KO'd by anyone else, that includes fights to Evander Holyfield and Oliver McCall. So til this day, Larry Holmes has only been defeated by KO, and that KO came from Mike Tyson. Although Larry was past his prime, his fight record after the loss to Mike was an impressive 21-3, with two of his losses coming to Evander Holyfield and Oliver McCall by decision. He defeated the rest of the guys, with exception to his third loss, which demonstrated he was still good enough to beat other heavyweights in the division.

Now lets put this comparison out there if I may. Sam Peter fought a James Toney (two times) that is considered to be past his prime but who has never lost by knockout. And, Toney was only knocked down once in his career and that was to Roy Jones Jr. It was more of a flash knock down than anything else. Either way, Sam Peter was not able to knock out James Toney in two bouts. He knocked him down on a off balance shot when he hit Toney with a Jab that hit and pushed him off balance to the canvas.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:02 PM   #54
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He doesn't have the skills to keep up with a prime Tyson. Biggest difference is speed, agility, coordination, technicals skills, defensive skills...all of of the above with exception to power (you can say either man was as powerful)...but when you sum up the fact that Tyson could throw at least 3 punches in a combination for 1 single punch from Peter, you can put the math together. This equation ends in a KO for Tyson in 4-5 rounds.


Put this into prespective: A prime Tyson KO'd Larry Holmes who never had been KO'd in his career. But you may say, "Larry was old and past his prime". Yes indeed he was...however, Larry still continued to fight after he lost to Tyson by KO and was never KO'd by anyone else, that includes fights to Evander Holyfield and Oliver McCall. So til this day, Larry Holmes has only been defeated by KO, and that KO came from Mike Tyson. Although Larry was past his prime, his fight record after the loss to Mike was an impressive 21-3, with two of his losses coming to Evander Holyfield and Oliver McCall by decision. He defeated the rest of the guys, with exception to his third loss, which demonstrated he was still good enough to beat other heavyweights in the division.

Now lets put this comparison out there if I may. Sam Peter fought a James Toney (two times) that is considered to be past his prime but who has never lost by knockout. And, Toney was only knocked down once in his career and that was to Roy Jones Jr. It was more of a flash knock down than anything else. Either way, Sam Peter was not able to knock out James Toney in two bouts. He knocked him down on a off balance shot when he hit Toney with a Jab that hit and pushed him off balance to the canvas.
All this mean Tyson was good enough to knock out Holmes, but Peter was not able to knock out Toney.
Assuming that Homes and Toney are on similar level in the defensive skills it means prime Tyson
had better offensive abilities than Peter. However there is one thing which may equal this - chin.

Tyson have proven record that if someone press him hard then he fails.
Peter have proven record his chin is granite - just see fight with Wlad.
This gives obvious question, which combination will be more significant:

1) Peters granite chin vs Tyson excellent technique and power
2) Peters power but limited skills vs Tyson suspect chin under pressure

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Old 09-26-2007, 02:13 PM   #55
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All this mean Tyson was good enough to knock out Holmes, but Peter was not able to knock out Toney.
Assuming that Homes and Toney are on similar level in the defensive skills it means prime Tyson
had better offensive abilities than Peter. However there is one thing which may equal this - chin.

Tyson have proven record that if someone press him hard then he fails.
Peter have proven record his chin is granite - just see fight with Wlad.
This gives obvious question, which combination will be more significant:

1) Peters granite chin vs Tyson excellent technique and power
2) Peters power but limited skills vs Tyson suspect chin under pressure

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So Tyson taking a series of hard punches from Ruddock, and coming back and KO'ing him doesn't count? Dude ur argument is bs, and it's the same shit Tyson haters use all of the time. Nobody could 'press' a prime Tyson anyway and those who tried, got KTFO. Peter is a walking punching bag for Tyson. He's too slow, he wouldn't be able land anything and even if he did, 1 or 2 punches isn't gonna do the job. This is a mismatch in every sense of the word.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:17 PM   #56
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It's been so long since Tyson was good but he was so very special early on. He barely even got hit before he came into the Douglass fight out of shape. Tyson,circa 1986-1988, by early KO. Just too quick. Would have caught him clean and early and that would have been it.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:20 PM   #57
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well, tyson never ko'd someone with an iron chin, so peter could go the distance with him. it would be interesting if they start to trade, but i'd say it would be a comfortable decision for tyson.
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Old 09-26-2007, 02:25 PM   #58
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well, tyson never ko'd someone with an iron chin, so peter could go the distance with him. it would be interesting if they start to trade, but i'd say it would be a comfortable decision for tyson.
Peter has a good chin but not iron. Klitschko had him dancing a jig and a clean hook or right hand by a prime Tyson would have been worse.
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Old 09-26-2007, 03:22 PM   #59
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Peter has a good chin but not iron. Klitschko had him dancing a jig and a clean hook or right hand by a prime Tyson would have been worse.
He does have an iron chin because prior to that, he was taking flush shots for 11 rounds from the biggest puncher in the division.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:34 PM   #60
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Peters chin is very good. He can stand up to wlad, the most powerful puncher right now. ANd I think Wlad hit harder than tyson. But Tyson threw better combos, and was much faster. SO probably KO8 for Tyson. Maybe Peter can get by a few more rounds for a UD.
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