Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures - Page 2

threethirteen · 11-23-2009, 07:16 AM

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“I definitely want to thank the English fans, so many of them embraced us. Andre definitely won, the world has seen it and the fans let us know who the real winner was. The English fans were not biased at all.

“He whipped the s*** out of Froch, hurt him in the 10th, the 11th, was beating him rounds one through five. The only rounds you could give to Froch was when he was fighting dirty, rounds six through eight. That’s all."

I think Dirrell, and his team, need to shut up now. They threw the fight away by fighting with so little positive momentum. The holding, falling over, complaining and almost propelling himself away from the other man made Froch look like some deadly destroyer.

If they'd actually started fighting with bad intentions earlier on, when they knew Froch didn't have the ability to do much, then they'd have won, possibly by KO and be in a much better position.

11-23-2009, 07:44 AM

What happens if people are tied on points?

The Super Six website says in event of a tie there'll be a tie-breaker - though they don't say what that tie-breaker will entail...

BrummyLad · 11-23-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rooq

Now we have seen each of the Super Six competitors once, who do you think will win the remaining fixtures and the overall tournament?

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell
Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch
Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll
Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor
Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor

Semi Final 1:

Semi Final 2:

Final:

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my picks...

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell - Abe Pts
Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - Abe TKO
Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll - Ward Pts
Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor - Ward Pts
Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch - Kessler Pts
Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor - Kessler TKO

So final standings...

Arthur Abraham 8 pts
Andre Ward 6 pts
Mikkel Kessler 5 pts
Carl Froch 2 pts
Andre Dirrell 0 pts
Jermaine Taylor 0 pts

Semi Final 1: Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - Abraham TKO
Semi Final 2: Andre Ward Vs Mikkel Kessler (again!) - Ward Pts

Final: Abraham Vs Ward - Abraham TKO

My thoughts entirely mate, i thought kessler was going to clean up, but ward really exposed his style. He is still all wrong for froch tho so id choose him. Abraham for the cup i think alonh with the wba and the wbc titles...

topdog88 · 11-23-2009, 08:55 PM

aa vs ad= ad-points wide ud i think
cf vs mk= not a clue really kessler is disheartened with boxing atm i think and froch being very cock sure could prove vital and a never say die will as proved against taylor!
aw vs jT= i think ward will just have a bit too much energy for taylor who just doesnt have the stamina to go 12 hard round..i'd like him to prove me wrong, i really want him to do well after all the heartbreaking losses really.

sidthehat · 11-23-2009, 09:16 PM

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell: Abraham pts
Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch: Abraham pts
Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll: Ward pts
Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor: Ward KO
Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch: (War) Draw
Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor: Wont happen.

Semi Final 1: Ward vs Kessler: Ward TKO

Semi Final 2: Abraham vs Froch: Abraham KO

Final: Ward WPTS Abraham

Grant1 · 11-24-2009, 04:26 AM

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell: Dirrell Points
Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch: Abraham KO

Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor: Ward Points
Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll: Ward Points

Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch: Kessler Points
Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor: Kessler Points

Ward 6 points
Abraham 6 points
Kessler 4 points
Froch 2 points
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Dirrell 2 points
Taylor 0 points

Froch finishes above Direll due to head to head.

Will Ward's 3 wins place him above Abraham or would it be decided on KO's? I'll assume the former for now.

Ward bts Froch Pts
Kessler bts Abraham Pts

Kessler beats Ward in Vegas.

icemax · 11-24-2009, 04:52 AM

Its amazing how Wards stock has risen after just one decent but sloppy performance against a lacklustre Kessler...I expect a certain amount of back tracking when Taylor and Dirrell clown him.

As for my picks, I haven't a clue

Raashid · 11-24-2009, 06:05 PM

My thoughts on the participants so far:
Abraham - not convinced that he's exceptional, simply because it is likely that he KO'd a Taylor that's now damaged goods. I still think a durable well schooled boxer beats him, even if his punch does turn out to be the biggest in the division.

Ward - Looked the best boxer in the tourny against Kessler, but nowhere near a potential great as some people are claiming. Has shown frailty in the past and that may be his undoing again eventually.

Froch - Looks very average at this level, personally I thought he was well beaten by Dirrell. Chin that was impregnable at a lower level can be dented, if not breached at this; powerhas has to be shown to be far from conclusive as well.

Kessler - Lookd one dimensional again against a faster, athletic fighter with more improvisation. Reputation may well be borne from the division having been full of similarly limited Europeans for most of his reign.

Dirrell - Going totally against the grain, I think still the best pure boxer in the tourny. Despite turning judges and fans against him with his bitching, it was interesting he never looked hurt and didn't fall apart as such against Froch, despite obviously being a fighter who is distinctly uncomfortable being roughed-up. Shook Froch up as well towards the end, suggesting decent power.

Fight predictions:

Andre Dirrell UD12 Arthur Abraham - Dirrell to have learnt from his shortcomings against Froch and get the job done against AA who won't be able to catch up to him.

Mikkel Kessler SD12 Carl Froch - Kessler roared on by home fans in a gruelling fight, getting a close decision, with Froch claiming he was robbed.

Andre Ward TKO10 Jermaine Taylor - Taylor's essential last hurrah, ha his moments, but Ward's freshness and energy enable him to step up the pace. Taylor's corner or the referee call it off to spare him unecessary punishment.

Arthur Abraham SD12 Carl Froch - Both fighters one paced approach makes for hard judging, Abraham getting the benefit of the crowd influencing judges coring, Froch complaining bitterly of being robbed again.

Andre Dirrell SD12 Andre Ward - Whilst Ward can look good against one-dimesional Europeans, Dirrell fights a tactically perfect fight to nick the decision, but in a manner not to the fans liking.

Mikkel Kessler TKO6 Jermaine Taylor - A stroll for Kessler, as Taylor practically going thru the motions one last time.

Ward 5 points
Kessler 5 points
Dirrell 4 points
Abraham 3 points
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Froch 2 points
Taylor 0 points

Semis:

Abraham KO10 Ward - Ward to be outclassing Abraham, until he gets careless just once.

Dirrell UD12 Kessler - Dirrell to again win a bore, always a step or two ahead of Kessler who still can't find a way of changing pace or tactics against a slippery opponent.

Final:
Dirrell UD12 Abraham - Repeat of the first encounter, almost an anticlamtic end.

Samc1 · 12-04-2009, 09:36 AM

I think Froch is over-rated by the U.K fans and he over-rates himself but i think he needs to be given some credit, hes world champ, never been beat, got one of the best chins in world boxing, he beat Dirrell even in doubous circumstances and he has fought outside his homecountry and won. I think he will beat Kessler, but could loose to Abraham down the line. Taylor upset Ward and become world champion, now that would be a turn up!

TheUzi · 12-04-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Samc1

I think Froch is over-rated by the U.K fans and he over-rates himself but i think he needs to be given some credit, hes world champ, never been beat, got one of the best chins in world boxing, he beat Dirrell even in doubous circumstances and he has fought outside his homecountry and won. I think he will beat Kessler, but could loose to Abraham down the line. Taylor upset Ward and become world champion, now that would be a turn up!

best chins in World boxing????

I fully expect Kessler to shatter this myth in Copenhagen.

antcull · 12-04-2009, 08:17 PM

Quick guesses

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell - Dirrell UD
Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - AA TKO
Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll - Ward UD
Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor - Ward UD
Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch - Kessler UD
Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor - Kessler TKO

Ward or AA to win it

Samc1 · 12-07-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUzi

best chins in World boxing????

I fully expect Kessler to shatter this myth in Copenhagen.

I think Froch is up there in having one of the best chins, its certainly been tested, some of Taylors and Pascals shots he just ate up, i know he was on the floor in the Taylor fight but his head cleared quick and he won the fight. Pascal is quite a big puncher considering he has now moved up to light heavy and can still punch at that weight.

GladiatoR · 12-07-2009, 08:07 AM

I got Dirrell over Abraham.

kwyjibo · 12-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell - Dirrell by decision *
Dirrell has too much movement (combined with speed) for Abraham to handle.

Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - Abraham by stoppage
Froch is too easy to hit and Abraham hits hard, despite Froch's granite chin.

Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll - Dirrell by decision
I think it will be close, but Dirrell edges it.

Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor - Ward by decision
Ward will outbox Taylor.

Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch - Froch by stoppage
Kessler is easily lead into wars and I think Froch wins the war.

Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor - Taylor by decision
Taylor will simply land more than Kessler.

* = Possible controversial result

Two Shakes · 12-07-2009, 12:39 PM

I think Ward and Abraham are getting far too much credit on these forums considering how they won there 1st round fights.Taylor looked shot to shit against Abraham and Kessler ran out of idea's and heart against Ward.
Taylor will always struggle against the pressure fighters and punchers,but in an out and out boxing match he could still surprise a few people.
Froch didn't look great against Dirrell,but he will always look bad against quick,technical fighters i.e. Ward,Taylor,Dirrell.Trouble with Dirrell was his unwillingness to engage,and his constant holding prevented Froch from landing anything of note.
Kessler looked very weak and one dimensional against Ward,not only did Wards speed cause him fits,but when it got rough Kessler let Ward bully him.He needs to KO Froch or his tourney is over,and i just dont see Froch allowing him to keep the fight at mid range as he likes to do,i think Froch will try and rough Kessler up and prevent him boxing.
Dirrell ????? he was way better than i thought he was,but i'm not sure he has much faith in his chin.He's easily as fast as Ward,but Dirrell has concussive power,i dont see Ward stopping anyone with one punch.
I'm just going to have to get splinters in my ass,as i still think 4 from 6 still have a chance at winning.

11-23-2009, 07:44 AM	#17
GrovesVDegale Guest Posts: n/a vCash:	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures What happens if people are tied on points? The Super Six website says in event of a tie there'll be a tie-breaker - though they don't say what that tie-breaker will entail...
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11-23-2009, 08:55 PM	#19
topdog88 frohaye ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: south wales Posts: 225 vCash: 1965	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures aa vs ad= ad-points wide ud i think cf vs mk= not a clue really kessler is disheartened with boxing atm i think and froch being very cock sure could prove vital and a never say die will as proved against taylor! aw vs jT= i think ward will just have a bit too much energy for taylor who just doesnt have the stamina to go 12 hard round..i'd like him to prove me wrong, i really want him to do well after all the heartbreaking losses really.
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11-23-2009, 09:16 PM	#20
sidthehat Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 914 vCash: 1000	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell: Abraham pts Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch: Abraham pts Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll: Ward pts Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor: Ward KO Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch: (War) Draw Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor: Wont happen. Semi Final 1: Ward vs Kessler: Ward TKO Semi Final 2: Abraham vs Froch: Abraham KO Final: Ward WPTS Abraham
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11-24-2009, 04:26 AM	#21
Grant1 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: S Wales Posts: 7,074 vCash: 1421	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell: Dirrell Points Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch: Abraham KO Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor: Ward Points Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll: Ward Points Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch: Kessler Points Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor: Kessler Points Ward 6 points Abraham 6 points Kessler 4 points Froch 2 points -------------------- Dirrell 2 points Taylor 0 points Froch finishes above Direll due to head to head. Will Ward's 3 wins place him above Abraham or would it be decided on KO's? I'll assume the former for now. Ward bts Froch Pts Kessler bts Abraham Pts Kessler beats Ward in Vegas.
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11-24-2009, 04:52 AM	#22
icemax Indian Red East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 18,401 vCash: 664	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures Its amazing how Wards stock has risen after just one decent but sloppy performance against a lacklustre Kessler...I expect a certain amount of back tracking when Taylor and Dirrell clown him. As for my picks, I haven't a clue
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11-24-2009, 06:05 PM	#23
Raashid Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 280 vCash: 1000	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures My thoughts on the participants so far: Abraham - not convinced that he's exceptional, simply because it is likely that he KO'd a Taylor that's now damaged goods. I still think a durable well schooled boxer beats him, even if his punch does turn out to be the biggest in the division. Ward - Looked the best boxer in the tourny against Kessler, but nowhere near a potential great as some people are claiming. Has shown frailty in the past and that may be his undoing again eventually. Froch - Looks very average at this level, personally I thought he was well beaten by Dirrell. Chin that was impregnable at a lower level can be dented, if not breached at this; powerhas has to be shown to be far from conclusive as well. Kessler - Lookd one dimensional again against a faster, athletic fighter with more improvisation. Reputation may well be borne from the division having been full of similarly limited Europeans for most of his reign. Dirrell - Going totally against the grain, I think still the best pure boxer in the tourny. Despite turning judges and fans against him with his bitching, it was interesting he never looked hurt and didn't fall apart as such against Froch, despite obviously being a fighter who is distinctly uncomfortable being roughed-up. Shook Froch up as well towards the end, suggesting decent power. Fight predictions: Andre Dirrell UD12 Arthur Abraham - Dirrell to have learnt from his shortcomings against Froch and get the job done against AA who won't be able to catch up to him. Mikkel Kessler SD12 Carl Froch - Kessler roared on by home fans in a gruelling fight, getting a close decision, with Froch claiming he was robbed. Andre Ward TKO10 Jermaine Taylor - Taylor's essential last hurrah, ha his moments, but Ward's freshness and energy enable him to step up the pace. Taylor's corner or the referee call it off to spare him unecessary punishment. Arthur Abraham SD12 Carl Froch - Both fighters one paced approach makes for hard judging, Abraham getting the benefit of the crowd influencing judges coring, Froch complaining bitterly of being robbed again. Andre Dirrell SD12 Andre Ward - Whilst Ward can look good against one-dimesional Europeans, Dirrell fights a tactically perfect fight to nick the decision, but in a manner not to the fans liking. Mikkel Kessler TKO6 Jermaine Taylor - A stroll for Kessler, as Taylor practically going thru the motions one last time. Ward 5 points Kessler 5 points Dirrell 4 points Abraham 3 points -------------------- Froch 2 points Taylor 0 points Semis: Abraham KO10 Ward - Ward to be outclassing Abraham, until he gets careless just once. Dirrell UD12 Kessler - Dirrell to again win a bore, always a step or two ahead of Kessler who still can't find a way of changing pace or tactics against a slippery opponent. Final: Dirrell UD12 Abraham - Repeat of the first encounter, almost an anticlamtic end.
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12-04-2009, 09:36 AM	#24
Samc1 Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 209 vCash: 75	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures I think Froch is over-rated by the U.K fans and he over-rates himself but i think he needs to be given some credit, hes world champ, never been beat, got one of the best chins in world boxing, he beat Dirrell even in doubous circumstances and he has fought outside his homecountry and won. I think he will beat Kessler, but could loose to Abraham down the line. Taylor upset Ward and become world champion, now that would be a turn up!
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12-04-2009, 08:17 PM	#26
antcull Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 7,426 vCash: 75	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures Quick guesses Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell - Dirrell UD Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - AA TKO Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll - Ward UD Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor - Ward UD Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch - Kessler UD Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor - Kessler TKO Ward or AA to win it
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12-07-2009, 08:07 AM	#28
GladiatoR No Mas! ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Telford, England Posts: 2,897 vCash: 825	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures I got Dirrell over Abraham.
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12-07-2009, 09:51 AM	#29
kwyjibo O RLY? ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Great Britain Posts: 509 vCash: 136	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures Arthur Abraham Vs Andre Dirrell - Dirrell by decision * Dirrell has too much movement (combined with speed) for Abraham to handle. Arthur Abraham Vs Carl Froch - Abraham by stoppage Froch is too easy to hit and Abraham hits hard, despite Froch's granite chin. Andre Ward Vs Andre Direll - Dirrell by decision I think it will be close, but Dirrell edges it. Andre Ward Vs Jermaine Taylor - Ward by decision Ward will outbox Taylor. Mikkel Kessler Vs Carl Froch - Froch by stoppage Kessler is easily lead into wars and I think Froch wins the war. Mikkel Kessler Vs Jermaine Taylor - Taylor by decision Taylor will simply land more than Kessler. * = Possible controversial result
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12-07-2009, 12:39 PM	#30
Two Shakes Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: I would never lose to a white boy Posts: 2,004 vCash: 1000	Re: Super Six: Predict the remaining fixtures I think Ward and Abraham are getting far too much credit on these forums considering how they won there 1st round fights.Taylor looked shot to shit against Abraham and Kessler ran out of idea's and heart against Ward. Taylor will always struggle against the pressure fighters and punchers,but in an out and out boxing match he could still surprise a few people. Froch didn't look great against Dirrell,but he will always look bad against quick,technical fighters i.e. Ward,Taylor,Dirrell.Trouble with Dirrell was his unwillingness to engage,and his constant holding prevented Froch from landing anything of note. Kessler looked very weak and one dimensional against Ward,not only did Wards speed cause him fits,but when it got rough Kessler let Ward bully him.He needs to KO Froch or his tourney is over,and i just dont see Froch allowing him to keep the fight at mid range as he likes to do,i think Froch will try and rough Kessler up and prevent him boxing. Dirrell ????? he was way better than i thought he was,but i'm not sure he has much faith in his chin.He's easily as fast as Ward,but Dirrell has concussive power,i dont see Ward stopping anyone with one punch. I'm just going to have to get splinters in my ass,as i still think 4 from 6 still have a chance at winning.
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