Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it?

ChrisPontius · 09-25-2007, 05:36 PM

We all know what happened the first time, but considering Ruiz hasn't been close to being knocked out after 10 years of taking on top opposition, it is fair to say he's improved a lot. He looked good against Valuev (some fought he won, i thought he lost a close one) and had a good competitive fight with the current WBA champion, Ruslan Chagaev.

Tua on the other hand, has done very little as of late. I had him losing his fight with Rahman in 2003 (the knockdown was legit if you ask me, they were still fighting) and after that he only fought tomato cans. His fight with Hawkins was a rather close one, while even the crude Sam Peter beat him in a lopsided decision. Alexander Povetkin was fighting Ceronne Fox in his second professional fight, Tua shouldn't be fighting these guys. He's got plenty of experience; he's only getting older.

Anyway.

Who do you pick? Pick with your brain, not with your heart, because i know many people hate Ruiz, and rightfully. He was a complete bore.

Illmatic · 09-25-2007, 05:49 PM

yup, we all know what happened the first time...Ruiz was schooling Tua until his blatant cheating.

MagnificentMatt · 09-25-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Illmatic

yup, we all know what happened the first time...Ruiz was schooling Tua until his blatant cheating.

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For the whole 20 seconds.

andyZOR · 09-25-2007, 05:51 PM

Good topic. I don't know for sure. All your points are pretty valid.

brooklyn1550 · 09-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Tua by TKO

MagnificentMatt · 09-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Ruiz would shit himself...

Jorodz · 09-25-2007, 05:54 PM

tua by 3rd round ko. takes him longer now to get the left working. ruiz just doesn't have the jab to hold him off

SteveO · 09-25-2007, 06:43 PM

I'd pick Tua but it would take longer.

standing 8 · 09-25-2007, 06:43 PM

Tua, even though he's way past his sell date.

Jennifer Love Hewitt · 09-25-2007, 06:50 PM

Ruiz UD's Tua.
Tua doesn't have it anymore.

Jorodz · 09-25-2007, 09:42 PM

hmmm, the amount of tua's decline will be determined once he faces a legitimate top 10. to be honest, tua's performances as of recent aren't MUCH worse than some in his prime. if he improves his activity level and body punching he could be a demon again. simply put he does well against guys who stand there and let him load up. ruiz isn't mobile, doesn't jab (well) and his hugs wouldn't work as effectively against a guy with tua's natural strength

Zakman · 09-26-2007, 12:00 AM

Tua would smoke that cheating fraud again, just like Peter will if they feed this talentless clubfighter to him.

left hook 75 · 09-26-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorodz

hmmm, the amount of tua's decline will be determined once he faces a legitimate top 10. to be honest, tua's performances as of recent aren't MUCH worse than some in his prime. if he improves his activity level and body punching he could be a demon again. simply put he does well against guys who stand there and let him load up. ruiz isn't mobile, doesn't jab (well) and his hugs wouldn't work as effectively against a guy with tua's natural strength

Agreed.

Dr Gonzo · 09-26-2007, 12:30 AM

Tua would come forward hard and Ruiz would get a big hook to the temple attempting to come in for the man hug. Tua in 5 or less - Ruiz inactivity and clinching tactics would not fly against Tua

cuchulain · 09-26-2007, 01:14 AM

Haven't seen Tua in a while so I don't know what kind of shape he's in.

However, I believe he could win this one with two Broken hands, as Ruiz would probably have a flashback coronary during the staredown.

09-25-2007, 05:36 PM	#1
ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 11,749 vCash: 238	Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? We all know what happened the first time, but considering Ruiz hasn't been close to being knocked out after 10 years of taking on top opposition, it is fair to say he's improved a lot. He looked good against Valuev (some fought he won, i thought he lost a close one) and had a good competitive fight with the current WBA champion, Ruslan Chagaev. Tua on the other hand, has done very little as of late. I had him losing his fight with Rahman in 2003 (the knockdown was legit if you ask me, they were still fighting) and after that he only fought tomato cans. His fight with Hawkins was a rather close one, while even the crude Sam Peter beat him in a lopsided decision. Alexander Povetkin was fighting Ceronne Fox in his second professional fight, Tua shouldn't be fighting these guys. He's got plenty of experience; he's only getting older. Anyway. Who do you pick? Pick with your brain, not with your heart, because i know many people hate Ruiz, and rightfully. He was a complete bore.
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09-25-2007, 05:49 PM	#2
Illmatic Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 5,553 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? yup, we all know what happened the first time...Ruiz was schooling Tua until his blatant cheating.
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09-25-2007, 05:51 PM	#4
andyZOR ==Goral====Hurricane== East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,493 vCash: 823	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Good topic. I don't know for sure. All your points are pretty valid.
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09-25-2007, 05:52 PM	#5
brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 12,401 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Tua by TKO
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MagnificentMatt Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,946 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Ruiz would shit himself...
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09-25-2007, 05:54 PM	#7
Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada, eh? Roy Jones, Jack Daniels and Grandma's Boy Posts: 11,205 vCash: 1139	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? tua by 3rd round ko. takes him longer now to get the left working. ruiz just doesn't have the jab to hold him off
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09-25-2007, 06:43 PM	#8
SteveO MSW East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 14,347 vCash: 1040	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? I'd pick Tua but it would take longer.
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09-25-2007, 06:43 PM	#9
standing 8 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 713 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Tua, even though he's way past his sell date.
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09-25-2007, 06:50 PM	#10
Jennifer Love Hewitt Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,689 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Ruiz UD's Tua. Tua doesn't have it anymore.
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09-25-2007, 09:42 PM	#11
Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada, eh? Roy Jones, Jack Daniels and Grandma's Boy Posts: 11,205 vCash: 1139	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? hmmm, the amount of tua's decline will be determined once he faces a legitimate top 10. to be honest, tua's performances as of recent aren't MUCH worse than some in his prime. if he improves his activity level and body punching he could be a demon again. simply put he does well against guys who stand there and let him load up. ruiz isn't mobile, doesn't jab (well) and his hugs wouldn't work as effectively against a guy with tua's natural strength
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09-26-2007, 12:00 AM	#12
Zakman ESB's Chinchecker East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Ivory Tower Posts: 40,639 vCash: 500	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Tua would smoke that cheating fraud again, just like Peter will if they feed this talentless clubfighter to him.
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Dr Gonzo Yo! Molesta La Breastas! East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 17,319 vCash: 75	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Tua would come forward hard and Ruiz would get a big hook to the temple attempting to come in for the man hug. Tua in 5 or less - Ruiz inactivity and clinching tactics would not fly against Tua
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09-26-2007, 01:14 AM	#15
cuchulain P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Muirthemne Posts: 18,828 vCash: 1000	Re: Ruiz vs Tua today, who takes it? Haven't seen Tua in a while so I don't know what kind of shape he's in. However, I believe he could win this one with two Broken hands, as Ruiz would probably have a flashback coronary during the staredown.
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