greatest amatuer ever...

[Kolya]

In the amateurs in the US at least; what matters is where you place in the ranking tournaments (PAL, US Nationals, and Golden Gloves). Those earn you points depending how you place that add up to your ranking. Fighting on a national team and in international events also gets you more points for a ranking.

[Thread Stealer]

Originally Posted by Super_Fly_Sam

what was his actual win loss record??

surely he must be fighting pro now??

No, he's a Cuban who never defected.

[IceJohnScully]

Originally Posted by Kolya

In the amateurs in the US at least; what matters is where you place in the ranking tournaments (PAL, US Nationals, and Golden Gloves). Those earn you points depending how you place that add up to your ranking. Fighting on a national team and in international events also gets you more points for a ranking.

When I was amateur they didnt have the point ranking system. I won the PAL Nationals and it helped but I didn't get 100 points, etc. credit like I would now in this day and age. Back then I think the ranking were a little bit better reflection of the best. Now u get points for international appearances..but u get CHOSEN for international meets.

[allenko1]

Originally Posted by IceJohnScully

When I was amateur they didnt have the point ranking system. I won the PAL Nationals and it helped but I didn't get 100 points, etc. credit like I would now in this day and age. Back then I think the ranking were a little bit better reflection of the best. Now u get points for international appearances..but u get CHOSEN for international meets.

You gotta get CHOSEN for everything it seems now.

[Hank]

The guy who beat Stevenson twice, at least once by ko. Russian guy, beat him before and after gold medel 2, if I am not mistaken. The ko took place in Cuba. Castro siezed film, never let it be released.

[IceJohnScully]

Originally Posted by Hank

The guy who beat Stevenson twice, at least once by ko. Russian guy, beat him before and after gold medel 2, if I am not mistaken. The ko took place in Cuba. Castro siezed film, never let it be released.

Not only that but there is a guy in Cuba who stopped Savon at least twice that I know of but they still let Savon go on because he was such a huge rep for the island.

[Orishaman]

Teo Steveson , Mario Kindelan come to mind......Savon....SRR.........Kid Chocolae 100-0-86

master Flyweight Venezuelan Francisco Morochito Rodriguez won 266 lost 4...Mantequilla was 113-1 as an amateur...

how about the great Hilton family:

Ave Hilton Jr - 130-2 ex-wbc champ 168lbs (in jail presently)
Matthew Hilton - 106-0 97KO ex-ibf champ 154lbs
Alex Hilton - 101-1

Dad
Dave Hilton Sr- 72-7 59ko

[jaycuban]

The Best Amature of All time, without a dought...

Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB) 284W - 4L (148 consecutive wins)

2 Olympic Gold Medals
2 World Championships Gold Medals
1 Pan Amarican Gold Medal
1 Central America and Caribbean Gold Medal

[Orishaman]

Originally Posted by jaycuban

The Best Amature of All time, without a dought...

Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB) 284W - 4L (148 consecutive wins)

2 Olympic Gold Medals
2 World Championships Gold Medals
1 Pan Amarican Gold Medal
1 Central America and Caribbean Gold Medal

not even close.........Kid Chocolate did lose in over 180 fights......I am was not impress wih Rigondeaux.....BTW Kindelan:

Gold on Olympics 2000, 2004
Gold on the World Amateur Champ-99, 01, 03
Gold Pan Am Games-99, 03

[sugarkills]

Sugar Ray Robinson: 85-0

[IceJohnScully]

Originally Posted by sugarkills

Sugar Ray Robinson: 85-0

Sugar Ray Robinson was not unbeaten (he lost to Billy Graham) and didnt fight national or international events

[jaycuban]

Originally Posted by Orishaman

not even close.........Kid Chocolate did lose in over 180 fights......I am was not impress wih Rigondeaux.....BTW Kindelan:

Gold on Olympics 2000, 2004
Gold on the World Amateur Champ-99, 01, 03
Gold Pan Am Games-99, 03

Believe me bro, Whenever im back in Cuba... they all say that they have never seen a better fighter, that he might be the best Cuban fighter ever.

[Kolya]

Originally Posted by IceJohnScully

When I was amateur they didnt have the point ranking system. I won the PAL Nationals and it helped but I didn't get 100 points, etc. credit like I would now in this day and age. Back then I think the ranking were a little bit better reflection of the best. Now u get points for international appearances..but u get CHOSEN for international meets.

I'm not saying I like the new system; I understand technically it's supposed to be objective; but USA Boxing or at least some of the higher ups in it will have known certain guys for years and seen them grow up and have them as their favorites, I think. How did the old rankings work?

[Orishaman]

Originally Posted by jaycuban

Believe me bro, Whenever im back in Cuba... they all say that they have never seen a better fighter, that he might be the best Cuban fighter ever.

Well dude they might be pulling your leg..........Guillermo had flaws...and was not as smooth as Kindelan nor Hurtado....BTW...Kindelan record is more imporessive, 7 golds....

[youthmann]

Originally Posted by Blocky

Joe Calzaghe - 109-2 and the 2 were highly disputed.

This is from JC own homepage:

Amateur Fight Statistics

Titles: 3 times school boy Champion, NABC British school boy Champion, Gaelic Games Champion, 3 times senior ABA Champion
Fights: 120. Wins: 110. (120-110 = 10 !!!!!)