Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario

gooners!! · 11-20-2009, 12:45 AM

Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario ? i thought JLR won myself.

Round 1 Rosario
Landed! more punches imo.

Round 2 Rosario
Ramirez was getting painted with 3 right hands mid round but
Ramirez came back and really hurt Rosario, although Rosario did not go
down and Ramirez did'nt really follow up either, its about one of the few
good shots JLR landed in the round.

Round 3 Rosario
He painted JLR with hard right hands in this round, although JLR
did start to score cleanly towards the end.

Round 4 Ramirez
Rosario landed the harder shots in this round but i thought
Ramirez took it on workrate and consistency througout the
round

Round 5 Rosario
Best round of the fight, and best round of the fight for Rosario, he
hammered JLR with hard! shots in this round

Round 6 Rosario
He did nothing for the first 1st minute and half, then he came
to life and started whacking JLR with hard shots to take the round
on my card, only reason i could not score it for JLR is because even
though he might have thrown more he was not landing with much.

Round 7 Ramirez
Best round of the fight for Ramirez, his most productive in being the
aggressor and actually landing!! he has been aggressive thoughout.

Round 8 Ramirez
Consistent with his attack throughout and landed short
jolting shots throughout.

Round 9 Ramirez
Same as the 8th really, consistent with his attack throughout, landed short
jolting shots throughout. Rosario has gone to sleep and took his foot
of the gas.

Round 10 Ramirez
He was all over!! Rosario in this round, loads of pressure and he
scored throughout

Round 11 Ramirez
pressure and consistency throughout

Round 12 Ramirez

clear round for Ramirez, consistent scoring throughout.

Rosario had this fight under control untill he stopped throwing in mid rounds, he clearly took
his foot of the gas, not doubt because of fatigue. Ramirez has been putting lots of pressure on
throughout but he was not landing his shots consistently for the first 5/6 rounds, however towards
the second half of the fight his accuracy seemed to improve, although you might say that was to do with
Rosario tiring. I thought Ramirez won it and on reflection i think he deserved to win it, he forced the fight
from start to finish and the rounds that Rosario won were rounds which he was probably the less active
fighter but he took some of those rounds on my card because despite being more inactive he was landing
and cleaner shots, that said i could easily see someone swaying to Ramirez in some
of those rounds. Ramirez dominated the late rounds he won with his consistency.

sweet_scientist · 11-20-2009, 01:16 AM

Been a while since I've seen it so I can't give specifics, but yeah pretty much the trend of the fight was Rosario outboxing Ramirez early and then Ramirez finishing much the stronger.

I had Ramirez taking it by a couple of points, but some of the rounds were close and I can't really say that Jose was robbed or anything.

Ramirez was unlucky not to get decisions against Arguello and Rosario, but he was compensated by his gift against Pea.

Thread Stealer · 11-20-2009, 01:20 AM

Rosario-Ramirez 1

Rosario: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6
Ramirez: 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
Final: 115-113 Ramirez

gooners!! · 11-20-2009, 01:21 AM

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Been a while since I've seen it so I can't give specifics, but yeah pretty much the trend of the fight was Rosario outboxing Ramirez early and then Ramirez finishing much the stronger.

I had Ramirez taking it by a couple of points, but some of the rounds were close and I can't really say that Jose was robbed or anything.

Ramirez was unlucky not to get decisions against Arguello and Rosario, but he was compensated by his gift against Pea.

For sure, it was definitely a close fight.

That was a gift to.

I watched Chapo destroy Viruet before watching that, hard to believe that was the same guy that went to war with Duran.

sweet_scientist · 11-20-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gooners!!

For sure, it was definitely a close fight.

That was a gift to.

I watched Chapo destroy Viruet before watching that, hard to believe that was the same guy that went to war with Duran in a close fight.

Yeah... in fairness to Viruet though, he was quite far gone by that stage. As early as the Dejesus bout he started looking like shite (Dejesus did too btw, and perhaps even earlier).

The Wanderer · 11-20-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

Yeah... in fairness to Viruet though, he was quite far gone by that stage. As early as the Dejesus bout he started looking like shite (Dejesus did too btw, and perhaps even earlier).

Being a lightweight and fighting Duran will do that to you, especially if you fight him more than once.

I haven't seen this fight, so sorry that I can't contribute more to the topic at the moment. I may have to try to look it up in the next few days and give you my score.

gooners!! · 11-20-2009, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

Yeah... in fairness to Viruet though, he was quite far gone by that stage. As early as the Dejesus bout he started looking like shite (Dejesus did too btw, and perhaps even earlier).

Yeah they mentioned he was considered to be on the way down on the broadcast.

Didn't he beat Escalera? have you seen that fight, is it available, how did he beat him?

sweet_scientist · 11-20-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wanderer

Being a lightweight and fighting Duran will do that to you, especially if you fight him more than once.

True that.

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Originally Posted by gooners!!

Yeah they mentioned he was considered to be on the way down on the broadcast.

Didn't he beat Escalera? have you seen that fight, is it available, how did he beat him?

Yeah he did beat him, I haven't seen the fight and don't know if it was filmed though. His next fight against Mamby was definitely filmed, haven't seen it though.

My2Sense · 11-20-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

Been a while since I've seen it so I can't give specifics, but yeah pretty much the trend of the fight was Rosario outboxing Ramirez early and then Ramirez finishing much the stronger.

It's on Youtube, have another look:

My2Sense · 11-20-2009, 04:47 AM

I thought Ramirez swept the whole second half of the fight. Even if you gave Rosario every single one of the first six rounds (which is questionable IMO, as I thought at least one or two of those rounds could've gone the other way), Ramirez still shouldn't have gotten any less than a draw. Personally, I thought Ramirez should've won the fight around 7 rounds to 5, maybe 6-4-2 or 7-4-1 - something along those lines.

In my mind, I always felt Rosario lost twice to Ramirez, which was one of the reasons I never got caught up in the hype around him following his win over Bramble.

gooners!! · 11-20-2009, 03:13 PM

So i just scored Rosario vs Howard Davis but how did you guys have it, who won it for you?

Round 1 Rosario
He was the only one landing punches in
the round

Round 2 Rosario 10/8
Quiet round for the first minute but Rosario hurt
Davis with a an overhand right, then he went on to score a knockdown
with a kind of half hook, half jab.

Round 3 Davis
Good round for Davis he nailed Rosario with the right hand
a few times and was busier than in previous rounds

Round 4 Rosario (close round)
Both had the moments in this round but just liked
Rosario's early pressure and hard punching

Round 5 Davis
again both had their moments but Davis landed the more eye catching
punches, particularly a nice counter uppercut, he was tattooing Rosario
near the ropes at one point, Rosario was too inactive in the round although
he did score also.

Round 6 Davis
Rosario inactive for almost the whole round

Round 7 Davis
Rosario inactive again! Davis scored the jab
early and nailed Chapo with a lovely counter right uppercut
left hook

Round 8 Davis
Few punches landed but Davis dictated the action again whilst
Rosario was inactive

Round 9 Rosario close
Best round for Rosario for some time, both landed in this round
but i thought Rosario closed a bit better

Round 10 Rosario
Good round for Rosario he landed some hard! shots in this round

Round 11 Davis
Davis outworked him imo, dictated the pace, scored the jab and double
counter hooks when he charged in

Round 12 Rosario 10/8
Davis was winning the round but got nailed so i had to score it 10/8, it was
to competitive for me not to award Rosario a 10/8 round, if it was all Davis i could of
gone an even round with the knockdown.

My2Sense · 11-20-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gooners!!

So i just scored Rosario vs Howard Davis but how did you guys have it, who won it for you?

Round 1 Rosario
He was the only one landing punches in
the round

Round 2 Rosario 10/8
Quiet round for the first minute but Rosario hurt
Davis with a an overhand right, then he went on to score a knockdown
with a kind of half hook, half jab.

Round 3 Davis
Good round for Davis he nailed Rosario with the right hand
a few times and was busier than in previous rounds

Round 4 Rosario (close round)
Both had the moments in this round but just liked
Rosario's early pressure and hard punching

Round 5 Davis
again both had their moments but Davis landed the more eye catching
punches, particularly a nice counter uppercut, he was tattooing Rosario
near the ropes at one point, Rosario was too inactive in the round although
he did score also.

Round 6 Davis
Rosario inactive for almost the whole round

Round 7 Davis
Rosario inactive again! Davis scored the jab
early and nailed Chapo with a lovely counter right uppercut
left hook

Round 8 Davis
Few punches landed but Davis dictated the action again whilst
Rosario was inactive

Round 9 Rosario close
Best round for Rosario for some time, both landed in this round
but i thought Rosario closed a bit better

Round 10 Rosario
Good round for Rosario he landed some hard! shots in this round

Round 11 Davis
Davis outworked him imo, dictated the pace, scored the jab and double
counter hooks when he charged in

Round 12 Rosario 10/8
Davis was winning the round but got nailed so i had to score it 10/8, it was
to competitive for me not to award Rosario a 10/8 round, if it was all Davis i could of
gone an even round with the knockdown.

I haven't scored it round by round in a while, but I thought Rosario probably pulled it out. Davis did control most of the middle rounds, but Rosario's two KDs and a couple other big rounds were very hard to overcome.

sweet_scientist · 11-20-2009, 08:36 PM

Had Rosario taking it by a couple of points. But I thought Howard did a better job than what Camacho did to tell you the truth.

Whilst we are discussing Rosario's decisions, I had Rosario's fight with Randall scored even in terms of rounds. But if I was going by the British system where you can award half points, I would have had Rosario ahead because he had a couple of the bigger rounds in the fight.

gooners!! · 11-20-2009, 08:39 PM

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Whilst we are discussing Rosario's decisions, I had Rosario's fight with Randall scored even in terms of rounds. But if I was going by the British system where you can award half points, I would have had Rosario ahead because he had the a couple of the bigger rounds in the fight.

Man that was a good fight wasn't it? that has to be an underrated classic imo.

Randall was out on his feet a couple of times. I watched HL's of the rematch and i seem to remember him buzzing or dropping Randall in the rematch to.

sweet_scientist · 11-20-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gooners!!

Man that was a good fight wasn't it? that has to be an underrated classic imo.

Randall was out on his feet a couple of times. I watched HL's of the rematch and i seem to remember him buzzing or dropping Randall in the rematch to.

Yeah great little fight.

No 24/7 needed, no hype, no bullshit, just two really good fighters going at it on neutral territory in front of a small but appreciative crowd.

11-20-2009, 12:45 AM	#1
gooners!! Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 5,083 vCash: 1000	Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario ? i thought JLR won myself. Round 1 Rosario Landed! more punches imo. Round 2 Rosario Ramirez was getting painted with 3 right hands mid round but Ramirez came back and really hurt Rosario, although Rosario did not go down and Ramirez did'nt really follow up either, its about one of the few good shots JLR landed in the round. Round 3 Rosario He painted JLR with hard right hands in this round, although JLR did start to score cleanly towards the end. Round 4 Ramirez Rosario landed the harder shots in this round but i thought Ramirez took it on workrate and consistency througout the round Round 5 Rosario Best round of the fight, and best round of the fight for Rosario, he hammered JLR with hard! shots in this round Round 6 Rosario He did nothing for the first 1st minute and half, then he came to life and started whacking JLR with hard shots to take the round on my card, only reason i could not score it for JLR is because even though he might have thrown more he was not landing with much. Round 7 Ramirez Best round of the fight for Ramirez, his most productive in being the aggressor and actually landing!! he has been aggressive thoughout. Round 8 Ramirez Consistent with his attack throughout and landed short jolting shots throughout. Round 9 Ramirez Same as the 8th really, consistent with his attack throughout, landed short jolting shots throughout. Rosario has gone to sleep and took his foot of the gas. Round 10 Ramirez He was all over!! Rosario in this round, loads of pressure and he scored throughout Round 11 Ramirez pressure and consistency throughout Round 12 Ramirez clear round for Ramirez, consistent scoring throughout. Rosario had this fight under control untill he stopped throwing in mid rounds, he clearly took his foot of the gas, not doubt because of fatigue. Ramirez has been putting lots of pressure on throughout but he was not landing his shots consistently for the first 5/6 rounds, however towards the second half of the fight his accuracy seemed to improve, although you might say that was to do with Rosario tiring. I thought Ramirez won it and on reflection i think he deserved to win it, he forced the fight from start to finish and the rounds that Rosario won were rounds which he was probably the less active fighter but he took some of those rounds on my card because despite being more inactive he was landing and cleaner shots, that said i could easily see someone swaying to Ramirez in some of those rounds. Ramirez dominated the late rounds he won with his consistency.
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11-20-2009, 01:16 AM	#2
sweet_scientist Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,872 vCash: 1000	Re: Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario Been a while since I've seen it so I can't give specifics, but yeah pretty much the trend of the fight was Rosario outboxing Ramirez early and then Ramirez finishing much the stronger. I had Ramirez taking it by a couple of points, but some of the rounds were close and I can't really say that Jose was robbed or anything. Ramirez was unlucky not to get decisions against Arguello and Rosario, but he was compensated by his gift against Pea.
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11-20-2009, 01:20 AM	#3
Thread Stealer P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 16,470 vCash: 1000	Re: Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario Rosario-Ramirez 1 Rosario: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 Ramirez: 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Final: 115-113 Ramirez
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11-20-2009, 04:47 AM	#10
My2Sense Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,971 vCash: 1000	Re: Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario I thought Ramirez swept the whole second half of the fight. Even if you gave Rosario every single one of the first six rounds (which is questionable IMO, as I thought at least one or two of those rounds could've gone the other way), Ramirez still shouldn't have gotten any less than a draw. Personally, I thought Ramirez should've won the fight around 7 rounds to 5, maybe 6-4-2 or 7-4-1 - something along those lines. In my mind, I always felt Rosario lost twice to Ramirez, which was one of the reasons I never got caught up in the hype around him following his win over Bramble.
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11-20-2009, 03:13 PM	#11
gooners!! Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 5,083 vCash: 1000	Re: Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario So i just scored Rosario vs Howard Davis but how did you guys have it, who won it for you? Round 1 Rosario He was the only one landing punches in the round Round 2 Rosario 10/8 Quiet round for the first minute but Rosario hurt Davis with a an overhand right, then he went on to score a knockdown with a kind of half hook, half jab. Round 3 Davis Good round for Davis he nailed Rosario with the right hand a few times and was busier than in previous rounds Round 4 Rosario (close round) Both had the moments in this round but just liked Rosario's early pressure and hard punching Round 5 Davis again both had their moments but Davis landed the more eye catching punches, particularly a nice counter uppercut, he was tattooing Rosario near the ropes at one point, Rosario was too inactive in the round although he did score also. Round 6 Davis Rosario inactive for almost the whole round Round 7 Davis Rosario inactive again! Davis scored the jab early and nailed Chapo with a lovely counter right uppercut left hook Round 8 Davis Few punches landed but Davis dictated the action again whilst Rosario was inactive Round 9 Rosario close Best round for Rosario for some time, both landed in this round but i thought Rosario closed a bit better Round 10 Rosario Good round for Rosario he landed some hard! shots in this round Round 11 Davis Davis outworked him imo, dictated the pace, scored the jab and double counter hooks when he charged in Round 12 Rosario 10/8 Davis was winning the round but got nailed so i had to score it 10/8, it was to competitive for me not to award Rosario a 10/8 round, if it was all Davis i could of gone an even round with the knockdown.
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11-20-2009, 08:36 PM	#13
sweet_scientist Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,872 vCash: 1000	Re: Who did you have winning, J L Ramirez vs Edwin Rosario Had Rosario taking it by a couple of points. But I thought Howard did a better job than what Camacho did to tell you the truth. Whilst we are discussing Rosario's decisions, I had Rosario's fight with Randall scored even in terms of rounds. But if I was going by the British system where you can award half points, I would have had Rosario ahead because he had a couple of the bigger rounds in the fight.
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